Talk:The Wachowskis

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Please note MOS:DONTHIDE (and also WP:PROSE). If tables are too large and bulky maybe they should be split out to other articles but hiding them is ... well literally just hiding the problem. I encourage editors to do something to improve this situation. -- 109.78.202.76 (talk) 01:11, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

Seconded. I came to this article for the first time, looked at the two tables, and was wondering why they were there if they're empty - the "show" option is really easy to miss. I also can maybe see the rationale for collapsing the 'crew' section given its size, but the 'cast' one is fairly short, and having that shown would also alert new readers that the 'crew' one is probably filled as well, leading them to more likely see the "show" option for that table. Tagryn (talk) 19:32, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

no picture?

A picture should be added to the header. It seems odd for a public figure/celebrity page not to have one 2A00:23C8:8308:EF01:1889:9ACD:6E73:4E67 (talk) 14:00, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

There is a photo here now, but I'd update it? Mainly because it shows one of them pre-transition. It's harder to find an image of both of them in the same place though. DonutHog (talk) 12:42, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

I looked and there simply isn't a single continuous shot of the sister post-transition.

In fact the manual of style page on gender identity remarks states that "Avoid using an out-of-date, pre-coming-out photo of a transgender subject as a lead image. If no other photos are available, it is generally better to have no lead image at all. In general, avoid using pre-coming-out photos unless the subject's pre-transition appearance is especially well-known and notable. The article about The Wachowskis, for example, is better without any pre-coming-out photos since the way they looked is not well known as they shied away from public appearances. Conversely, the Caitlyn Jenner article does contain photos from before her transition because she was a well known Olympic athlete, so her appearance at the time is relevant to the article, though none are in the lead section."

Perhaps it would be best to remove the photo entirely? JabbingQuirker (talk) 08:45, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

I moved the pic back to the body (it had been moved to the infobox in this edit). Since MOS:IDINFO calls this page out by name, I think we should lean towards the idea of there being a default consensus against pre-coming-out photos in the infobox (at least until there's further discussion). CambrianCrab (talk) 01:27, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 March 2024

Add to solo projects: Lana wanted to return to the franchise after the death of her parents. She said on the topic: "My brain has always reached into my imagination and one night, I was crying and I couldn’t sleep, and my brain exploded this whole story. And I couldn’t have my mom and dad, yet suddenly I had Neo and Trinity, arguably the two most important characters in my life.”. Lily decided not to return for the same reason, on the topic she said "we started talking about it in between [our] dad dying and [our] mom dying, which was like five weeks apart. And there was something about the idea of going backward and being a part of something that I had done before that was expressly unappealing."<ref>

<ref>https://www.menshealth.com/entertainment/a38054404/lilly-wachowski-matrix-4-ressurections/ Izzyschuyler (talk) 03:25, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 09:09, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Gender

Might wanna talk about their birth gender since thats what they were born as then mention that they transitioned and refer to them properly as him and him as children like they were not her and her. 73.133.31.228 (talk) 21:12, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

As per Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Gender identity, gendered words including pronouns should reflect their most recent reliably reported self expression of gender, independent of the phase of their life described in the article. CloakedFerret (talk) 23:38, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 April 2024

Minor edit request. The first paragraph in the Personal Lives section (third sentence) has some duplicate text: "...that they had..." is repeated. Please remove the repeated words.

"In 2019, she said Mickey Ray Mahoney was now her partner and that they had that they had moved in together."

Thanks. BackspaceSomethingElse (talk) 15:20, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

 Done General Ization ^Talk 15:21, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Lilly Wachowski: Trash Mountain

Any chance we could add this in? https://variety.com/2024/film/news/lilly-wachowski-next-film-trash-mountain-caleb-hearon-1235908371/amp/ 86.44.172.205 (talk) 09:45, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Prominence given to their deadnames

Even if their deadnames are associated with their professional work, why are the deadnames so prominent (currently in the very first sentence of the article)?

If at all the deadnames need to be specified, why can they not be mentioned in the "Early lives and careers" section or the "Film and television careers" section?

There is no justification for parading the deadnames so high up in the article. Splitpeasoup (talk) 01:21, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

They were extremely notable under the names (perhaps more so than they are now). It's a similar case to Elliot Page given the prominence of the names. I don't see why we'd downplay that. — Czello ^(music) 08:41, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

kinda silly to not give them their own pages, is it not?

I mean they're different people 2607:FEA8:2BA0:5E00:32B9:4BEB:13A0:BD8F (talk) 23:32, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Oh yeah, that's what's silly here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.54.220.12 (talk) 17:33, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

A significant amount of their work was done as a duo. It's reasonable to keep them together.CRBoyer 17:36, 13 August 2024 (UTC)