Talk:The Shambles

Requested move

The Shambles (York) → The Shambles – The disambiguation lists only this popular tourist attraction and a relatively obscure Australian community television programme. --Rose Palmer 10:01, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

The following is a closed discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was move as requested. I have requested administrator assistance at Wikipedia:Requested moves#Noncontroversial proposals --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 08:32, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

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• Support Agree that disambiguation should be done by a hatnote, not a disambig page, as there are only 2 articles. --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 10:41, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Discussion

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Consider instead moving to Shambles and merging with the brief streetname and etymology article there. --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 10:41, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

That doesn't even need administrator help, and doesn't even need the 'move' button, so can be done boldly if uncontroversial! --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 11:06, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

I cannot move this page to The Shambles, so I've made this application on Wikipedia:Requested moves. I did plan to move it without administrator help, and I don't fully understand why it didn't work. --Rose Palmer 17:08, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

The merge is very easy to do. As long as there are no negative here, I think we can withdraw the move request and go ahead with the merge. Where do you think the article should be? At Shambles or The Shambles? --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 19:22, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

"The Shambles" is the correct name. Merging would not be ideal. It should be easy enough for an administrator to remove the redundant redirect from The Shambles and move this article there. Rose Palmer 02:30, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

This move has been completed. Thanks to Mets501. --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 09:19, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

York

The Shambles in York is world-famous, while the other Shambles seems to be a show on community television in one part of Australia. I think this (disambiguation page) should be moved from The Shambles to The Shambles (disambiguation) so I'm going to "be bold". Rosejpalmer 23:06, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

There is a requested move of The Shambles (York) → The Shambles, which may delete this disambiguation page. Discuss it at Talk:The Shambles (York) --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 13:03, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, but now I'm confused.

I had intended to move this article to The Shambles (disambiguation) and then move The Shambles (York) to The Shambles. I performed the first part of the move this morning but then found that I could not move The Shambles (York) to The Shambles because of the redirect created by the first move. So I created the request. But I see that you have moved this disambiguation back to The Shambles.

Have I got this wrong? Surely the disambiguation page would only be deleted if it's in the way (that is, if it's at the destination article, The Shambles). If it's at The Shambles (disambiguation) then after the move there will be three different pages: The Shambles (an article about the famous York street), The Shambles (disambiguation) and The Shambles (community television program) (and article about an Australian television series), and all that then needs to be done is to put a pointer to the disambiguation page into the top of The Shambles. If I'm right, what is gained by moving this page back from The Shambles (disambiguation) to The Shambles? --Rose Palmer 15:46, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

You have the technical details right, but the disambiguation page should be deleted, wherever it ends up, as it will be orphaned. As it only has 2 entries, there is no reason for any article to point to it. In this situation, it is best not to move the disambiguation page, but simply blank it and redirect it to Shambles. --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 19:13, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

That sounds reasonable. I've no objection. As you probably have more experience than I, would you like to go ahead with that? --Rose Palmer 03:11, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

The disambiguation page was deleted in the page move. There is a redirect at The Shambles (disambiguation) that is only a few days old, and was orphaned a few hours after it was made, The Shambles (disambiguation) was first created and linked to on October 5, and I removed its 1 or 2 incoming links on October 9, so I requested speedy deletion for that redirect. --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 10:44, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Redirect Shambles to The Shambles?

Since Shambles is used by the Yellow Pages and Streetmap.co.uk, I think Shambles should be a redirect to The Shambles. There is currently only a dictionary definiton at Shambles, that can easily be merged here because it is highly relevant to The Shambles street. What do you think? --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 09:25, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

This seems okay to me. Rose Palmer 12:41, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

The correct name for the street is Shambles (not The Shambles, although it is commonly referred to as this). I think a previous edit of the page made this point but it seems to have got lost.--Vince 01:51, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps you can find it. In the meantime,I have made Shambles redirect to The Shambles, so readers can find it either way. I merged the material that was at Shambles into the article about the York street. --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 09:40, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

I have added the offical name as Shambles and added a couple of other places that have Shambles or The Shambles as street names. A good place to check these is the UK Post Office website --Vince 13:00, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Shambles in general

Shouldn't there be a separate article about mediaeval shambles in general, since every market town in England would've had one?Gymnophoria (talk) 21:18, 15 January 2014 (UTC) ich kann kein englisch — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.85.109.143 (talk) 11:01, 25 September 2014 (UTC)