Talk:The Negro Motorist Green Book/Archive 1

Archive 1

Lynching

Bumped into this playing with edit history re: your proposed changes to the formal NLT statement...

Interesting piece... I found the bit about "facing lynching" for DWB to be a bit incredible. You might check THIS pdf out, which deals with the killing of Mr. Mallard. It's pretty clear that this was a planned assassination of a man driving a car with his family rather than a lynching for DWB, as intimated. Obviously, this is an early phase of this piece but I thought I'd chime in for what it's worth. Good luck on this piece, good stuff. best regards, —Tim ///Carrite (talk) 18:29, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, I appreciate the input. As far as I can tell, the killing seems to have been motivated by a combination of resentment at his relative prosperity (he was a successful salesman) and his participation in the recent 1948 general election. Obviously this wasn't an example of a random killing, but it's significant that he was targeted while out driving his brand-new car. Prioryman (talk) 23:54, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

Albuquerque hotels

"Of the more than 100 motels that lined U.S. Route 66 in Albuquerque, New Mexico, less than six percent admitted black customers."

I think this statement is silly. It most likely means "exactly six motels" (though it depends on the exact number of motels on route 66 in Albuquerque.) I've tracked down the statement in this form, "less than six percent", to an article in The Albuquerque Tribune dated August 16, 1955, page 21. There the trail goes cold. The article cites a report by the legal redress committee of the NAACP, which is most likely no longer in existence, and, in any event, seems unavailable online.--Itinerant1 (talk) 19:28, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

Since this comment, the article was revised to address this issue. -- Zanimum (talk) 01:16, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Uneven coverage

"...from covering only the New York area in the first edition, it eventually covered the whole of the United States plus Canada, Mexico and Bermuda."

The whole of the United States? Not quite... it made the attempt, but its coverage was very uneven. North Dakota didn't have a single listing on the map http://library.sc.edu/digital/collections/greenbook.html and coverage of most of the middle of the country is poor, while Chicago, NYC and the eastern seaboard is far more complete. Canada has no listings outside Québec and only one listing outside Montréal. Ontario, the principal terminus of the Underground Railroad, has absolutely nothing listed. It covered most of the US but gaps in coverage were huge. K7L (talk) 02:38, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

Since this comment, the article was revised to address this issue. -- Zanimum (talk) 01:16, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

GA Review

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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This review is transcluded from Talk:The Negro Motorist Green Book/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Zanimum (talk · contribs) 21:04, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Okay, I'm starting a review.

Traveling while black

Kudos on the background section, I'm very pleasantly surprised on the depth of coverage you've done, to place this book in the larger context, even highlighting how the issue lingers, via Harris' account.

• Does Seiler reference the exact issue of The Crisis that the quote is from? While it's appropriate to reference Seiler's book, as it's a much more accessible resource, it would be nice to add a second reference to the actual issue.

• I've added a reference to the actual issue, as given in Seiler's footnotes. Prioryman (talk) 21:58, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

• The comment about Southerners disliking the sundown town practice, is there another location in the paragraph that this could fit? It's an great insight, but I'm wondering if it might be breaking up the larger thought too much.

• To be honest I can't really see a more appropriate spot for it. Is there somewhere that you would suggest? Prioryman (talk) 21:58, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

• And that's not even counting any of your FAs that were previously GAs, if you were involved at that point in the process! -- Zanimum (talk) 20:19, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

This is a very interesting read, this is one Canadian who's learning a lot. -- Zanimum (talk) 21:04, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks on both counts above, more review in the next few days. -- Zanimum (talk) 01:25, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Navigating Jim Crow

• Perhaps note that the US Travel Bureau a government agency/program? With no article to link through to, I'm wondering if that should be clarified.

Impact

• "black women as customers - hotels and so on" Could this be turned into an en dash or an em dash, even if it's only a hyphen in the source?

Passing "Publishing history" and "Legacy".

The children's book, the concept of the book accomodating Jim Crow, lots of very interesting concepts and notes.

What extensive research into the book and the concept related to the book. Wow.

Talk page issues seem to be resolved. -- Zanimum (talk) 22:36, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

I've made the two changes, and passed the article. Congrats on GA #28! -- Zanimum (talk) 01:13, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Thank you very much! Gosh, is it really #28? :-) Prioryman (talk) 20:06, 20 November 2013 (UTC

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Featured article nomination

Please note that I've nominated this article for consideration as a Featured Article candidate. If you would like to comment, please see Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/The Negro Motorist Green Book/archive2. Prioryman (talk) 12:22, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

Congratulations on your excellent article! I've expressed concerns about the Mallard lynching on the FA candidate page, as I think it is overstating it to represent this as part of general danger faced by African Americans while driving. The case seemed very much based in local envy and tensions, not part of risk while traveling. Also, wanted to suggest that rather than "Legacy", "Representation in other media" be used as the header for the way this series has inspired/been the subject of other 21st-century artistic and scholarly works.Parkwells (talk) 19:04, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

unbalanced quotes

the US Supreme Court ruled in Plessy v. Ferguson (1896) that separate but equal" accommodations were constitutional

NotYourFathersOldsmobile (talk) 11:58, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Possible external link or source?

Here's a recent article about the Green Book in the Washington Post:

• Swanson, Ana (January 8, 2016). "The forgotten way African Americans stayed safe in a racist America". The Washington Post.

Ordinarily I would have added it as an external link, but I saw this is a Featured Article and thought the regular editors of the page might want to check out whether the news article adds anything of value to the Wikipedia article (as an external link or as a source). 107.10.236.42 (talk) 17:58, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

Proportionate space

Although the article's title says the article is about the Green Book, fully one-third of the article is given over to the "background" section, which seems to be more background than one would expect (not that the story shouldn't be told). Should the title of the article be expanded, or should the "what it was like to drive long distances as a black person in the early to mid-20th century" part be spun off into another article, with a "main article" link inserted at the top of a reduced background section in this article? --Piledhigheranddeeper (talk) 19:03, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

I Second this concern. This is an excellent article, but it is NOT an article about the book itself. It should have about one third as much of the context and background, if this truly is about the book. Most of this great entry should be its own article 172.76.140.54 (talk) 20:23, 21 September 2017 (UTC) Dude

Great article

Not sure whether this is the right place, but thank you to those who wrote and improved this article. Very interesting to read about a subject I did not anything about before. 93.215.72.65 (talk) 20:36, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

I agree. It is fascinating. Neutron (talk) 22:45, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

Lock this article down

Someone who really edits needs to lock this thing down or racists will troll it all MLK day long. 2602:302:D13C:6BF0:A56C:B049:C529:64A6 (talk) 21:01, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

Schomburg Center web site

I removed the following sentence: "The plots show that Green Book users could expect to find a black-friendly restaurant about every 250 miles (400 km) and lodgings every 750 miles (1,210 km), though most of the listings were east of the Mississippi", cited to http://publicdomain.nypl.org/greenbook-map/. If I understand the NYPL site correctly, the maps it plans are based on the idea that the traveler would want to find a restaurant every 250 miles and lodging every 750 miles, and suggests restaurants and lodging of the period accordingly -- not that the traveler would necessarily have to drive 250 miles to the next restaurant and 750 miles to the next lodging. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 04:34, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

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Reference to 2017

I have added references to the NAACP’s 2017 warning against travel to Missouri.

I put them in the Missouri article and they were soon taken out. I thought they might find a safe home here, and I don’t know of any other place. Should be in WP somewhere, IMHO. deisenbe (talk) 17:30, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

I think it's acceptable to mention in this article, but as a much smaller entry. A might suggest a single sentence saying something like travel issues still persist and you include the reference.MartinezMD (talk)

I concur. Carbon Caryatid (talk) 17:59, 9 November 2017 (UTC)