Talk:The Name of the Doctor/GA1
Latest comment: 22 days ago by ClaudineChionh in topic GA Review
GA Review
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Nominator: OlifanofmrTennant (talk · contribs) 19:27, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Pokelego999: I saw your comments on WT:WHO do you still plan to partake in the nom? Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 04:31, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- @OlifanofmrTennant I'll be fine to help with the completion of this nom. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 10:54, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
Reviewer: ClaudineChionh (talk · contribs) 08:38, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
Starting this. Note: this is my first ever GAN review.
GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria
I think this is getting really close! I haven't done a source check yet as I got sidetracked by a content dispute elsewhere, but I didn't want to leave this hanging over the weekend.
- I'm happy to pass this now. Congratulations and thank you for your patience! ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · contribs · email) 03:53, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
- Is it well written?
- A. The prose is clear and concise, and the spelling and grammar are correct:
The second and third paragraph of the "Writing" section have some awkward and overly-long sentences; but I think a lot of this could be cut – see #3b.
Resolved
- B. It complies with the manual of style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation:
- A. The prose is clear and concise, and the spelling and grammar are correct:
- Is it verifiable with no original research, as shown by a source spot-check?
- A. It contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline:
- B. Reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose):
- I have checked direct quotes and ratings figures (§ Source check). One needs a small correction. Two sources are unavailable and the Wayback Machine is down. The rest look good, so if Wayback is still down in, say, 18 hours, I'd still feel confident about passing #2b.
- The Archive is still doing maintenance but my spot check of the live sources gives me confidence to pass this. ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · contribs · email) 03:37, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
- I have checked direct quotes and ratings figures (§ Source check). One needs a small correction. Two sources are unavailable and the Wayback Machine is down. The rest look good, so if Wayback is still down in, say, 18 hours, I'd still feel confident about passing #2b.
- C. It contains no original research:
- D. It contains no copyright violations nor plagiarism:
- No likely issues raised by Copyvio Detector.
- A. It contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline:
- Is it broad in its coverage?
- A. It addresses the main aspects of the topic:
- This episode is not only the last one in the seventh series, it forms a kind of trilogy with The Day of the Doctor and The Time of the Doctor, setting things up for the 50th anniversary celebrations. I was surprised to see no mention of these at all in this article (only a fleeting reference at the very end).
- I tried to find something on this, but there is very little actually covering the connection, and if there's more detailed items, it's gotten very buried under more recent Google News results. I've added a source verifying this connection, and I'll see if me or my co-nom can't find something more detailed soon. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 16:22, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
- @ClaudineChionh: Yeah everything I found has been from non-rs and web forums. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 22:20, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
- I think just adding those links to the two other episodes in the lead should be fine. It's possible I'm indulging in a bit of OR with my memories of 2013. ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · contribs · email) 23:35, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- Just a note you dont have to check every source just some of them usually between 5-10. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 03:43, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
- This episode is not only the last one in the seventh series, it forms a kind of trilogy with The Day of the Doctor and The Time of the Doctor, setting things up for the 50th anniversary celebrations. I was surprised to see no mention of these at all in this article (only a fleeting reference at the very end).
- B. It stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style):
The "Writing" section starts off with context-setting observations about the darker tone and the introduction of a new kind of monster, but then gets tangled up in some of the changes between the original and final scripts, while missing the broader picture as noted in 3a. Similarly, the "Behind the scenes" factoids in the "Filming" section feel like unnecessary trivia. See § Suggested cuts below.– Sections trimmed. Resolved
- A. It addresses the main aspects of the topic:
- Is it neutral?
- It represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each:
- It represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each:
- Is it stable?
- It does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute:
- It does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute:
- Is it illustrated, if possible, by images?
- A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content:
- Uses non-free episode promotional image (in line with other episode articles) and free image of unique monster.
- B. Images are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions:
- A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content:
- Overall:
- Pass or Fail:
- I think this is well on the way to GA status. Paring back the production trivia and adding more context leading up to the 50th anniversary episodes should satisfy #3.
- I believe this now meets all the criteria for a Good Article. ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · contribs · email) 03:53, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
- I think this is well on the way to GA status. Paring back the production trivia and adding more context leading up to the 50th anniversary episodes should satisfy #3.
- Pass or Fail:
Suggested cuts
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Resolved- Writing
- Second paragraph from Other differences included location shoot differences to end of paragraph
- Third paragraph from The second draft of the script was dated to 7 November, 2012 to which now resembled the Doctor's TARDIS interior as it did in the final episode.
- Tried paring down both a bit. Summarized it as both scripts having various differences. Let me know if I should alter this further. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 16:22, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
- Just needs a little minor copy-editing for MOS:DASH and inconstent capitalisation, but passes for the purpose of GA. ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · contribs · email) 23:35, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- I'll get on that hopefully before the end of the day Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 23:40, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- Just needs a little minor copy-editing for MOS:DASH and inconstent capitalisation, but passes for the purpose of GA. ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · contribs · email) 23:35, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- Tried paring down both a bit. Summarized it as both scripts having various differences. Let me know if I should alter this further. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 16:22, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
- Filming
- Whole paragraph beginning In a scene in which Strax brawls with a Scotsman
- I'll leave the final decision for cutting this up to my co-nom, since I'm admittedly not sure how much of this should be cut or not. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 16:22, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
- Cut, now that you mention in it does read like a series of trivia facts. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 22:14, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
- Whole paragraph beginning In a scene in which Strax brawls with a Scotsman
Source check
edit- § Writing
"frothy"
and"funeral-like"
Partly done Accurate summary of the Ainsworth source, but "frothy" appears on p. 88 (not p. 89) and I couldn't find a direct quote for "funeral-like" so it shouldn't have quotation marksThe idea of the Whisper Men came from "the thought of stylish, whispering, almost faceless creatures" which seemed frightening and appropriate for "an episode that looks forward and back".
Pending Why did I try to check this while the Wayback Machine is offline? I'l try again later this weekend otherwise will have to take it on trust.
- § Home media
Moffat later complimented the "210 of them, with the top secret episode in their grasp – and because we asked nicely, they didn't breathe a word."
Verified Metro source
- § Broadcast
seen by 5.46 million viewers upon its initial release
- Pending This ref is actually for "Nightmare in Silver" overnight ratings. I couldn't find a ratings report for "Name of the Doctor" in the SFX/GamesRadar+ archive. The original URL was http://www.sfx.co.uk/2013/05/19/doctor-who-the-name-of-the-doctor-overnight-ratings/ but that's now a dead link and I can't check the Wayback Machine.
the figure rose to 7.45 million
- Verified Ainsworth source
making Doctor Who the third most-watched programme of the week on BBC One
- Verified Broadcasters' Audience Research Board (now Barb Audiences) source
Appreciation Index of 88
- Verified Ainsworth source
- § Critical reception
The Guardian described the episode as "the best episode of the season", and "possibly the best finale we've seen".
- Verified
Mark Snow of IGN gave the episode 9.1/10, praising the final conversation between the Doctor and River Song, as well as the revelation about Clara; however he noted that the Great Intelligence was "a little underwhelming" and "not very threatening", and that while the Whispermen impressed initially, they did not "[make] a great villain."
- Verified
- Hogan, Daily Telegraph –
He noted that it was "momentous, moving and thrilling". However, he also noted that the episode had "a tad too much clunking exposition, the odd spot of creaky CGI and some unconvincing metaphors about soufflés and leaves." Despite this, he called it a "breathless, brilliant finale".
- Verified
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