Talk:The Host (2013 film)

Box office success

Made a fix to this article and then noticed another user had reverted a similar fix so I'm adding a note here to make it clearer:
Hollywood accounting aside (and ignoring outright lies) it is best not to ever claim a film is a "box office success" unless it more than doubles the production budget. The Economist explains the costs of a film are far more than just the production budget: "cost $200m to make and another $50m-100m to market" [1] and Forbes explains "a film generally has to make twice its budget back to break even" [2] (and other articles explain how the box office gross is divided up, it's complciated).
WP:MOSFILM should probably give more advice, or at least make this clearer but in simpler terms unless you have a source directly calling a film a "box office success" it probably is not and any suggestion otherwise in Wikipedia is pure original research even though it might seem at first like a reasonable claim.
Specifically for this film Forbes says: The Host ... "the film flopped" -- 109.76.238.157 (talk) 00:40, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

The above comment needs context, specifically a link to the edit that caused the above comment:

An edit was made saying the film was a "modest success" and another editors reinstated this edit, so the above explanation was needed. (I've since learned similar explanations are already included in the article List of box office bombs and it goes further to explain the other potential costs of a film that make it even more difficult to say if a film is ever a success. -- 109.76.241.16 (talk) 02:58, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

Music

If anyone wants to know about the Music/Score please see this older page. I'm not going to waste any further time defending a merge from another editor, or trying to convince an unreasonable deletionist, who frequently makes edits with silly mistakes and generally fails to show good faith and deletes properly sourced content. [This film was a flop, get over it.] -- 109.79.64.119 (talk) 23:51, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

fully protected

The article has been fully protected for 72 hours. Use that time to work out flop vs no flop, which refs, whatever. I'm being very generous here, because there should be blocks all around for both people involved, and there will be if this nonsense continues after the block automatically lifts. KrakatoaKatie 05:24, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

I'm trying to work with this guy but he fully reverts edits rather than showing a bit more WP:GOODFAITH by for example only removing the line from the intro/lead, or giving better descriptions of his objections. The bigger problem is that he does not seems to accept the idea (mentioned in forbes and theeconomist above) that a film would need to make more than double its production budget, and based just on the numbers alone the film making only slightly more than the production budget makes it a flop.

Then there were the sources specifically calling it a flop or a failure, the most recent edit recent edit. There are two different authors at Forbes and the first one writes:

But again, the film flopped. The Host opened in sixth place the weekend of March 29th with just $10 million. It went on to earn $48 million on an estimated budget of $40 million.

On reflection the source from Forbes is not specific enough in this context, only listing The Host among the failures of this summer.

The article at RopeofSilicon specifically says "massive flop" and I used the citation parameter to make that easy to find, expanding the sentence further it reads "the massive flop The Host turned out to be".

In hindsight I probably should have gone to WP:MOSFILM with this rather than allowing myself to get sucked into a revert war.

We've both been blocked from editing the article. I'd still like a 3rd opinion on the numbers and the evidence that this is a flop. -- 109.78.24.155 (talk) 16:32, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

In case it is not clear I do not have a fixed IP address and comments posted on talk pages are not likely to be seen. -- 109.78.24.155 (talk) 17:39, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

Innuendo

It seems the movie got some innuendo towards political correctness and do gooders. What do the critics say? --41.151.15.104 (talk) 21:43, 1 October 2013 (UTC)