Talk:The Hill We Climb/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: BennyOnTheLoose (talk · contribs) 10:53, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
It is reasonably well written. a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists): It is factually accurate and verifiable. a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism): It is broad in its coverage. a (major aspects): b (focused): It follows the neutral point of view policy. Fair representation without bias: It is stable. No edit wars, etc.: It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate. a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall: Pass/Fail:
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Happy to discuss, or be challenged on, any of my review comments. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 10:53, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

Copyvio check: There are quite a few high matches on Earwig's Copyvio Detector, but I reviewed those above 10% and none are a concern. There's a backwards copy on one site, and common phrases and attributed quotes account for the other matches.

Images - one CC2.0 and two public domain. "Rear sight" (rather than "Rear view") seems an odd phrase but that may be an ENGVAR thing. Otherwise captions and image placement are fine.

Stability - No edit wars. (There has been some past vandalism / addition of unsourced content but nothing onging)

Background and writing section

• "she began to write the poem in early January" - I'm not seeing this supported by the live versions of the sources. The infobox has 30 December as the start of the "written" date range.

cut

• Refs [4][1][5] could be re-ordered numerically.
• "She sought to use the poem.." - I'd be happier with something along the lines of "She said that she sought ... "

Done both

Content section

• Gorman makes use of large amounts of alliteration and "reassuring aphorisms". I'd suggest clarifying that it's in this poem (if I read the source right) rather than in her work generally that there are "large amounts of alliteration", and attributing the quotation in the text.
• "The Associated Press writes..." - "Hillel Italie of The Associated Press wrote..."?
• Refs [18][11] could be put in numerical order.

Done all

Reception

• "Several critics also drew parallels..." - I'm not sure about the "several" here. Looks like there are at least two (the cited article authors). Suggest either re-wording or adding one further source. (I'm not inclined to count the quote from Dawn Lundy Martin.)

Added a third

• Either add all authors in paras 2 to 4, or, if names are not included, use forumulations like "X's critic" rather than " The Wall Street Journal described"

Think I got them all

• Comment: I think that the balance of the views presented in this section (with just the one negative) is a reasonable reflection of the critical response, based on my searches.

• Agreed, based on my searches. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 15:30, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

Outfit

• Perhaps not a typical section for an article about a poem, but justified by the amount of coverage in sources discussing the poem and the performance at the inauguration. No issues.

Publication

• "set to begin on April 27." is still OK as the intended date, but is there now further info?

I haven't been able to find a secondary source for this

• "Some criticized the decision, which Gorman had approved, because Rijneveld is white, and they eventually withdrew." - I think this could be better phrased, ideally avoiding "Some criticized" - but this isn't a blocker to GA status.

Rephrased, might be worse, hopefully better

• "Translators into various languages were divided over diversity issues" - would benefit from expansion.

Better?

See also

• No issues.

References

• The New York Times and Wall Street Journal sources require registration/subscription, which should be indicated.
• I think the "(Published 2017)" can be removed from ""Meet Amanda Gorman, America's First Youth Poet Laureate (Published 2017)" (but I can only view the top of the NYT article so may be wrong)
• PBS source ([4]) is missing the author
• NPR source ([4]) is missing the author and publication date
• BBC source ([1] is missing the author (Will Gompertz - you have to scroll down a bit to see this)
• The Hill source ([11]) is lacking publication date
• the Hollywood Reporter source ([20]) is missing the author
• Vogue reference ([7]) is missing the article date
• CNN reference ([24]) is missing the article date
• The Guardian source ([35]) is missing the author
• BBC source ([35]) is missing the author
• I can't access the Boston Globe site. Do the articles there have a date?

Think I got them all

External links

• No issues.

Infobox and lead

• Query over the start of the "written" period, as mentioned above.

I think December 30 is fine because that's the date she was informed

Breadth, depth and neutrality

• All seem suitable for GA.

Note - I made a cople of very minor changes, please discuss/revert any that you aren't happy with.

Thanks for your work on the article, Eddie891. No major issues, but I've made some suggestions above. The geographical location of Gorman's performance of the poem isn't explicitly mentioned in the article. Is this because it being in Washington falls under WP:SKYBLUE? Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 13:25, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, BennyOnTheLoose, how does it look now? Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 15:22, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for your responses, Eddie891. I'm happy that the article meets the GA criteria, so I'm passing it. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 15:30, 18 July 2021 (UTC)