Talk:The Goldberg Variations (ballet)

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The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 21:42, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

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• ... that for his ballet The Goldberg Variations, choreographer Jerome Robbins was undecided on whether Bach's eponymous score should be played on a harpsichord or a piano until the last minute? Source: [1], p. 393
  • ALT1: ... that Jerome Robbins's ballet The Goldberg Variations, to Bach’s music, includes every repeat of the variations in the score? Source: [2], p. 422
  • ALT2: ... that in Jerome Robbins' ballet The Goldberg Variations, some of the dancers are dressed in practice clothes, and others in period costumes? Source: [3], p. 194
  • ALT3: ... that for his ballet The Goldberg Variations, choreographer Jerome Robbins avoided all narrative implications outside of the designs? Source: [4], p. 276
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Trilby, or the Fairy of Argyll
  • Comment: Open to other hook suggestions

5x expanded by Corachow (talk). Self-nominated at 14:29, 23 March 2022 (UTC).

• Detailed unusual story of a ballet, on fine sources, no copyvio obvious. Of the hooks, I like ALT2 with the costumes, however, in hook and article I am not sure if "period costumes" means Baroque costumes, or what period? Do readers have to now what period the music is? I am no friend of "eponymous" especially as Bach's work has a different title, no "The". Consider changing that in the article. I'm not sure I understand ALT3, so striking. The original shows that he has o idea how soft a harpsichord is, - not what we want to transport ;) - Perhaps choreographing from a wheelchair would raise more interest than any of these ;) - I'd like more lead, and I'm not sure if you can really manage without saying a bit more about the music first, instead of letting the 30 variations and duration trickle in one by one. Not needed for DYK just a thought. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:54, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

  I added a bit more on the ballet in the lead of article, and slightly rephrased ALT1, now without "eponymous." Sources did not say much about what period costumes used here. They generally agree that the theme are Baroque costumes, but most of them didn't say much about part II (one says "eighteenth-century regalia", without further explanation, it is not in the article because I thought it would be confusing for a ballet to Baroque music) Below is a new hook on the wheelchair. Didn't say why he was on a wheelchair though, should be a bit more intriguing.

  ALT5: ... that Jerome Robbins choreographed parts of his ballet The Goldberg Variations on a wheelchair? Corachow (talk) 10:47, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

  Ping Gerda Arendt. Corachow (talk) 22:16, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

  I like in the ALT1 the way you speak of Bach's music, but think otherwise it's great information for me who knows how long they take without repetitions, but not for our "ordinary reader". Can you add that to ALT2 and ALT5, please? (Always better if the reviewer doesn't word hooks, - we have rulez.) (Please, when replying to an indent, repeat that indent, per the essay on top of User talk:Drmies.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:06, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

  ALT2a: ... that in Jerome Robbins' ballet The Goldberg Variations, to Bach’s music, some of the dancers are dressed in practice clothes, and others in period costumes?

  ALT5a: ... that Jerome Robbins choreographed parts of his ballet The Goldberg Variations, to Bach’s music, on a wheelchair? Corachow (talk) 21:12, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

  thank you - my favourite is the last. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:28, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

  @Corachow and Gerda Arendt: I was going to promote ALT5a, but I am concerned about the phrasing. I have flipped the order of the hook, removed "the ballet" (due to too much repitition, creating "...the ballet The Goldberg...") and have two versions of the hooks below:

  ALT5b: ... that The Goldberg Variations, performed to Bach’s music, was partly choreographed by Jerome Robbins while he was in a wheelchair?

  ALT5c: ... that parts of The Goldberg Variations, performed to Bach’s music, was choreographed by Jerome Robbins while he was in a wheelchair?

Thoughts? Z1720 (talk) 00:39, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

• Thank you for the attention! ALT5b is acceptable, but at this point: why not informative ALT1 then, if "short and sensation-grabbing" leads to problems. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:41, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

  @Z1720: I'm fine with either ALT5b or ALT1. Corachow (talk) 17:38, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

  @Gerda Arendt: I like short and attention grabbing hooks, but that's my preference. I prefer mention of the wheelchair, as I think that's more hooky than the variations of the score, though I think we can let the promoter decide. Gerda do you want to do the honours of re-adding the tick, specifying which hooks are approved? This makes it easier for promoters to know which ones are approved. Z1720 (talk) 17:41, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

  for ALT5b and ALT2a (costumes), - my bad to have confused that one with ALT1. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:58, 10 April 2022 (UTC)