Talk:The Fray/GA1

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GA Reassessment

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As part of Wikipedia:WikiProject Good articles' Project quality task force ("GA Sweeps"), all old good articles are being re-reviewed to ensure that they meet current good article criteria (as detailed at WP:WIAGA.) I have determined that this article needs some work to meet current criteria, outlined below:

• The lead does not adequately cover and summarize the entire article (WP:LEAD). Things that should be touched on, in my opinion: the band's formation and early years, more germane elements of their current activities, summation of critical reaction.
• This is a perennial problem with GAs I've seen so forgive me for yelling "Didn't anyone teach you people how to write paragraphs?" A paragraph by definition needs at least three sentences; that means that every grouping of less than that needs to be either expanded with more information, cut from the article entirely (simply throwing a sentence about X is a common wiki-issue, and often leads to collections of trivial details and cruft), or merge information into a more cohesive batch of paragraphs. This is a special issue with the first two subsections under history, which are worthless divisions (and unsourced to boot).
• Tone and style issues: who says Timbaland is a "superstar producer"? What about "The book represented a visually intimate look at the band's rise to success"?
• "The Fray is a Grammy Award-nominated four-piece piano rock band"—ok, I'm putting my foot down on the whole "make up your own genre" party. Find me several high-quality reliable sources that call it piano rock. Otherwise remove the specious classification.
• WP:SYNTH and original research issues throughout: example, " The next year, they released Reason EP to some local critical acclaim, particularly by Denver's Westword alternative newsweekly." is cited solely to the Westwood. Where's the citation for the "local critical acclaim" bit? This appears to be pervasive throughout the article and I recommend every citation be rechecked.
• Non-free content: There's no significant critical commentary about the band's style or lyrics to make File:The Fray - How to Save a Life.ogg and File:The Fray - Over My Head (Cable Car).ogg justifiable per non-free content criteria (NFCC).

I am alotting a week to improve the article, longer if significant progress is being made. Questions or queries, as well as updates on progress, should be written here. Thanks, Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs^(talk) 17:21, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

As no progress has been made on the above, I am delisting for now. You may renominate at WP:GAN at any time; questions should be directed to my talk page. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs^(talk) 23:56, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

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