Talk:The Dream (sculpture)/Archive 1

Sources

• http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/oregon-to-dedicate-statue-honoring-dr-martin-luther-king-jr-76061212.html ---Another Believer _(Talk) 16:16, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
• http://charleslewis.com/fundraising-and-development/ ---Another Believer _(Talk) 02:10, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
• https://web.archive.org/web/20030717072029/http://mlkjrstatue.com/ ---Another Believer _(Talk) 14:28, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

GA Review

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

This review is transcluded from Talk:The Dream (sculpture)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Seattle (talk · contribs) 04:03, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

Comments:

• No DAB links, no dead links
  • Thanks for checking. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 06:31, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

• Source for File:Leepbrown.jpg is dead, which causes copyright verification problems
  • I am not sure what to do about this. Should I click on the "Nominate for deletion" link in the sidebar here and give the above reason? Shame I cannot find another image of Brown to use, so it may just be Vera Katz pictured... ---Another Believer _(Talk) 06:30, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
    • I've made a few tweaks. Seattle (talk) 07:20, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
      • Thank you. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:21, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

• File:Vera Katz.jpg and File:Leepbrown.jpg need personality rights warnings at the Commons
  • Done. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 06:02, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

• It depicts King plus three allegorical sculptures have you seen the sculpture? Can you describe the relationship in more detail?
  • Describe the relationship? I am describing the sculptural group based on the sources. Yes, I have seen the work, but I don't think my own description is helpful. Is there something about the text that is confusing or ambiguous? I agree that an image would be helpful. I've tried searching for freely-licensed images for fair use with little success. This link says "Members of the press may reproduce these photographs for their publications", but I am not sure that meets Wikipedia's criteria. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 06:02, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
    • No, I don't think that rational does. I wanted to know exactly how the structure stands, i.e. if the young woman is to King's left or right, and the same with the man. Seattle (talk) 07:20, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
      • OK, does this help? ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:20, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
        • Yes, that looks good. Seattle (talk) 16:49, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

• a man who symbolizes the American worker, a woman who represents immigration, and a young girl shown releasing King's coattail, representing the "letting go" that occurs when people sacrifice time and energy to fighting a struggle. Sentence needs to be parallel; change the last "representing" to "who represents". I would like an "according to Dente" added, as a clause, after the final "represents" as well, to ascribe the quote.
  • Done. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 06:08, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

• 75 bronze replicas of the work exist Sentences should start with numbers in word-form
  • Done. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 06:08, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

• a woman wading ashore and who represents the country's immigration history cut "and" here
  • Done. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 06:08, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

• representing "intergenerational respect" according to whom? It represented "letting go" in the lead.
  • According to the source provided by the Oregon Convention Center. Things can have multiple meanings, yes? ---Another Believer _(Talk) 06:09, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
    • OK. Seattle (talk) 07:20, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

• There exist 75 bronze replicas; once the replicas have were purchased worded awkwardly; why not just "Seventy-five bronze replicas exist"? A stray "have" pervades the end of the sentence.
  • Done. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 06:08, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

• played an important role can you be more specific? If not, I would prefer you quote whatever the author wrote.
  • The source says he "was instrumental in obtaining a commission for a design..." I would think the current paraphrasing is preferable to a direct quote. Besides, saying he "was instrumental" is still vague and does not provide further specificity. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 06:11, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
    • I would prefer a quote to show that the vagueness isn't on our part, but rather on the author's. "Important" seems like a WP:PEACOCK term. Seattle (talk) 16:49, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
      • Done! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 17:10, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

• Fundraising was coordinated by Cheryl Perrin and Betsy Brumm, with assistance from Charles Lewis. Money raising efforts had stalled for eight years before he galvanized the campaign, initially by inviting U.S. Senator Mark Hatfield, who he interned for previously, to speak at a breakfast fundraiser. can you reword to: "Cheryl Perrin and Betsy Brumm coordinated fundraising, with assistance from Charles Lewis; before Lewis invited U.S. Senator Mark Hatfield, for whom he interned previously, to speak at a breakfast fundraiser, money raising efforts had stalled for eight years."? U. S. Senator is an Easter Egg link.
  • Thanks for the suggestion. I struggled with this sentence or two, and I like your version better. I am not sure what you mean by Easter Egg link, but I kept Mark Hatfield linked. Let me know if you meant something different. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 06:15, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
    • I meant that I didn't expect a link to the list of Oregon Congressional Senators when I hovered over the link for U. S. Senator. A link to United States Senate would be fine, or no link is fine as well, but there's a link in Hatfield image caption to the list. Seattle (talk) 07:20, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
      • Done! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:12, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

• $300,000 was raised don't start sentences with numbers
  • Hmm, ok. Done! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 06:15, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

• The block quote needs a specific reference
  • Oh course! Thanks. Done. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 06:18, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

• Oregon Physicians for Social Responsibility's 2013 rally against coal exports was held near the statue this connection seems tenuous at best...
  • Removed from article. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 06:18, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

Overall, if you could cut one or two quotes from this article, that would be great; I think it overindulges a bit, on the whole. Duplication detector reports from references one and fifteen check out. Seattle (talk) 04:03, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for taking time to review the article. Your help is much appreciated and please let me know what concerns remain. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 06:31, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

• time and energy to fighting a struggle use either "to fight" or just "fighting", not "to fighting". Otherwise, this article meets GA criteria. Thanks again. Seattle (talk) 23:29, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
  • Done. Thanks again for your time and assistance! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 00:34, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Is it a sculpture or a statue?

Both terms are used within the article, quite a few times apiece. Thanks, nice page. It's listed in the main Martin Luther King, Jr. article now, and on King's template, which is why I wanted to make sure about the 'sculpture' description. Randy Kryn 16:42, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

Statues are sculptures, but not all sculptures are statues. In other words, "sculpture" is accurate, but "statue" is more specific. :) Thanks for integrating this article into Wikipedia. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 17:22, 30 May 2015 (UTC)