Talk:The Black Parade/Archive 5

Genre

Sorry to bring this up again, but I must say something. "Alternative rock" is probably the best way to describe it. Let's keep it at just that, instead of simply "rock". Rocker10000 (talk) 12:40, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Reviews

It appears that someone is going through the MCR postings and deleting the negative reviews while only keep the positive ones. It's incredibly obvious in this one and in the Danger Days album. --24.129.110.230 (talk) 02:02, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Bob Bryar

In the first paragraph, it says this is the first album Bob Bryar plays drums on, and a few sentences later, it says it's the last. I don't know that much about the band, so I'm not sure if only one of those is correct or if it means this is the only album he played on, but either way I think it should be re-worded for clarity. slimey01 16:41, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Limited edition

Hi I'm from Australia and I bought mine here (in Australia). Mine came with one of five Black Parade jackets (the five jackets were packed randomly with each one). Mine also came with a bigger box then the one pictured on the article (probably to fit in the jacket). The record label that printed this version in Australia is Shock records. --144.131.70.162 (talk) 05:10, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Genre?

Hi all,
I was wondering why there are not any genre listings for this article or for any articles on My Chemical Romance, unlike most music articles. Genres are usually part of most infoboxes on albums and singles. If there is any reason not to include genre classifications on this or any other My Chemical Romance article, could someone please tell me what it is? Thanks. :) BenLinus1214 (talk) 18:53, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

It's to cut down on the constant genre-warring that used to plague these pages. No one can agree on genres (not even simply "Rock"), and even if there was consensus, genre warriors would ignore it. Everyone (mainly IP editors) seem to have their own opinion on what genre My Chemical Romance is, and adding a genre is only going to exacerbate the problem. Plus, if I remember right, there was some consensus a while back to remove the genres for these pages on a case-by-case basis. The ones that attracted genre warriors had their genre parameters removed. And it's not like a genre in the infobox is really important or valuable to an article in the first place. Friginator (talk) 20:04, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Alright, thanks. Because I'm a new user, I wasn't there for the genre-wars. And that makes sense--unlike a lot of bands, it's difficult to classify MCR and there is a ton of disagreement among people about what genre they are. BenLinus1214 (talk) 22:07, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

The genre warring with IP editors has gone on for over three years...Noreplyhaha (talk) 13:37, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

Alright, thanks to both of you for letting me know. BenLinus1214^talk 21:09, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

Review Section

What's with the last part of the review section (references 41 and 42). They seem to be from a review, but it goes too far into the review, instead of providing a snapshot of how the album was received from that particular review. It also fails to capture how the reviewer felt about the album in the quote, instead just quoting it on how the album is constructed. Can we remove those two in particular? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.72.228.37 (talk) 22:13, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

Genres

I attempted to add a genre field here (with genres that were well-sourced), only to be reverted. So, I'll discuss and go over the sources I cited:

The AllMusic review (not the sidebar, which generally shouldn't be used) states "The Black Parade doesn't feel like a revival of '70s prog as much as it hearkens back to the twin towers of mid-'90s concept alt-rock" and then later states "Despite all these seemingly fancy accouterments, they're still a modern emo-punk band". These suggest that it supports both alternative rock and emo (which emo-punk redirects to). Alternative rock is also mentioned in this book.

For emo, in addition to the AllMusic review, PopMatters states "First off, let’s get straight down to the crunch: with bands like My Chemical Romance at the wheel, emo music is not going anywhere." when reviewing this album. Idolator very clearly calls it an emo album. An article at The Dallas Observer states "The band's 2006 effort, The Black Parade, is considered by many to be a landmark emo album."

An emeritus reviewer at Sputnikmusic describes it as "a pop punk album littered with metal and arena-rock instrumentation". The Winnipeg Free Press very explicitly refers to it as pop punk. The Stylus review calls it "bubblegum punk" (a synonym for pop punk).

The support for post-hardcore isn't as strong, but The Aquarian Weekly says "They layer their urgent, youth-directed post-hardcore with pop melodies that are catchier than a cold in January." when talking about this album. I could probably find additional sources for this if I searched more though.

So, how about we establish some sort of consensus for genres here? This same approach (listing sources for genres, and getting a consensus on what to list based on those sources) has been tried in other album articles and worked fine, from my experience.

I also went ahead and solicited a few other editors who had past experiences with things genre-related to this discussion for their input.

By the way, I'll probably go ahead and later on start genre discussions at the other MCR album articles too, since I was also reverted at those. Kokoro20 (talk) 02:10, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

Update: I've found another source for alternative rock: http://diffuser.fm/best-alt-rock-albums-of-the-21st-century/mychemrom_theblackparade/ Kokoro20 (talk) 05:07, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

I support the addition of these genres because they are sourced with multiple reliable sources. In the references, a quote could also be added in the citation notes. Noreplyhaha (talk) 07:59, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

Any particular preferred order of them to be listed though? We should also get a consensus on that prevent edit warring on what order to list the genres based on prominence in sources and how strongly they are supported (IPs have a habit of swapping genres around too). I would have it as pop punk, alternative rock, post-hardcore and emo, in that order. While emo has more sources supporting it than post-hardcore, I also saw a few sources that says the album is not emo (although, I'm sure there's even more sources that call it emo than the ones I brought up here). Kokoro20 (talk) 08:44, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

I'm not too fused on the order because it's hard to pin down but I'd put Alternative rock first as a broader umbrella. Noreplyhaha (talk) 09:33, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

That makes sense too. Either alternative rock or pop punk first is fine with me. Kokoro20 (talk) 10:23, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

I just got word this was happening, and quotes is exactly what came to mind. I have added them to the citations. DannyMusicEditor (talk) 16:47, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

@DannyMusicEditor: Well, I see you added them back at Danger Days: The True Lives of the Fabulous Killjoys, so thanks for that, but this is about The Black Parade. Would you agree with the genres I'm proposing here too? Kokoro20 (talk) 01:22, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

I did notice that, I forgot to remove it. Sorry. I'm for alternative rock being added among anything else, but others are definitely welcomed provided they've got citations that directly support it. DannyMusicEditor (talk) 02:21, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

Well, since two people agree with me here, I went ahead and re-added the genres. @DannyMusicEditor:, I was also reverted at I Brought You My Bullets, You Brought Me Your Love and Three Cheers for Sweet Revenge, but I went ahead and re-added the genres there too. I'm assuming you would be all for the genres and sources at those articles too, right? Also, I plan to add genres with sources at some of the song articles sometime as well. Kokoro20 (talk) 13:49, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

A well-sourced genre parameter in the infobox should be allowed to stay. Sources in the infobox help to fight the genre warriors. I agree that alternative rock can be listed first as it is the most general, and it agrees with the GA version of 2008. Binksternet (talk) 14:32, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

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Vinyl cover

The vinyl cover is different and not included here. MaggotSupremacy555 (talk) 12:18, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

Personnel / Instruments / Accreditation / Edit war

The following lists the more recent edits regarding the disputed content of The Black Parade#Personnel. The most recent edit's summary, highlighting the problem—not the solution; a discussion for consensus is required.

1. 2001:8003:38ca:700:1c25:e65f:9281:34f0
   • 03:34, June 14, 2019 – removed detail
   • Summary: Don't need to separate which type of guitars, as bands will often record multiple parts
2. Bowling is life
   • 04:26, June 14, 2019 – replaced detail
3. 143.238.199.197
   • 11:44, June 18, 2019 – removed detail
   • Summary: If you're going to make test edits, please use the sandbox
4. Bowling is life
   • 12:58, June 18, 2019 – replaced detail
   • Summary: My edit wasn't a test edit or vandalism. We should differentiate between things like lead and rhythm guitars
5. 143.238.199.197
   • 14:41, June 18, 2019 – removed detail
   • Summary: Yes, bands have lead and rhythm guitars; however, in studio members are known to record multiple parts
6. 178.120.253.128
   • 11:40, July 29, 2019 – replaced detail
7. 2001:8003:30b3:3600:ddf7:d5b6:356a:9828
   • 09:52, August 2, 2019 – removed detail
   • Summary: Reverted guitar roles. Read previous page history...

Please, no more disruptive edit warring over this content. Talk about it, reach an agreement, and give this Good Article some stability. Fred Gandt · talk · contribs 10:49, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

Rock Sound Presents: The Black Parade

Shouldnt the rock sound cover album be included just like in American Idiot with it's kerrang cover album being included? St. Jimmy (talk) 00:22, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

Release date

Hey Bowling is life. I initially reverted the IP's date edit of 23rd but on closer inspection of the "release" section noticed the sourced date of 24 and reverted back my own revert. If it was the 23rd shouldn't the date in the release section also be amended with a reliable source as there is now this date inconsistency between the lead & infobox vs the release section, which for a good article is not ideal. Your thoughts? Robvanvee 07:03, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

Robvanvee I guess if the source says October 24, we should reflect that. Plus, another user said that albums at the time where released on Tuesday which would be the 23rd. Bowling is life (talk) 14:17, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

Bowling is life I personally don't care either way: 23 or 24 but I do care about the source and would rather go with a citation as opposed to an IP's recollection. At least until they or whoever can cite one. Agreed? Robvanvee 15:54, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

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