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More authors on Japan
edit"The Biblical Hebrew Origin of the Japanese People Hardcover" by Jewish author Joseph Eidelberg. This discusses some of his ideas, as well as lists possible similarities in alphabets
https://thechristianbushido.wordpress.com/hebrew-japanese-similarities-language/
Also, Tudor Parfitt's claim that its a "feature of the Western colonial enterprise" contradicts the point that many such claims are from Jewish authors.
Engelbert Kaempfer - German doctor visiting Japan in 1690-1693 C.E.
Also lists several other regions of the world as possible Lost Tribes
https://thechristianbushido.wordpress.com/exploring-the-biblical-roots-of-shinto/#list-2
Speculation
editWe should not look as though we endorse the speculation used in the article. --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 22:20, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
The concept of the "ten lost tribes" looks particularly problematic in the case of the tribe of Simeon, since by some maps and accounts they occupied an area in the south, in an enclave surrounded by the tribe of Judah. PatGallacher (talk) 00:50, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
I realise that I could be straying into original research. However the concept of "ten lost tribes" looks particularly schematic, since I am unable to find any ancient source which actually lists these ten tribes. The nearest we have is Josephus, who mentions that Judah and Benjamin remained left, so presumably by default the ten lost tribes were the others. PatGallacher (talk) 17:13, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
- These texts indicate that 10 tribes broke away from king Rehoboam of Judah and that Simeon was one of the tribes that broke away:
- About that time Jeroboam was going out of Jerusalem, and Ahijah the prophet of Shiloh met him on the way, wearing a new cloak. The two of them were alone out in the country, and Ahijah took hold of the new cloak he was wearing and tore it into twelve pieces. Then he said to Jeroboam, “Take ten pieces for yourself, for this is what the Lord, the God of Israel, says: ‘See, I am going to tear the kingdom out of Solomon’s hand and give you ten tribes. But for the sake of my servant David and the city of Jerusalem, which I have chosen out of all the tribes of Israel, he will have one tribe (1 Kings 11:29-32 NIV).
- When all Israel saw that the king refused to listen to them, they answered the king:
- “What share do we have in David, what part in Jesse’s son? To your tents, Israel! Look after your own house, David!” So the Israelites went home. But as for the Israelites who were living in the towns of Judah, Rehoboam still ruled over them (1 Kings 12:16-17 NIV).
- [King Asa] assembled all Judah and Benjamin and the people from Ephraim, Manasseh and Simeon who had settled among them, for large numbers had come over to him from Israel (2 Chron. 15:9 NIV). RobbieMorley (talk) 19:39, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
Original AD/BC dating usage
editThe original dating usage (see entry December 28,2004) was AD/BC but was later changed by woke leftists without consensus. I am changing back to AD/BC until or if a consensus for CE/BCE emerges. (I have no hope or expectation that editors will act ethically or professionally. It is well established that leftists Admins and their winged monkeys interpret rules for the sole purpose of advancing their woke ideology and crushing other people.)
- Since the story predates the Anno Domini convention, using BC is not "the original". I think many Jewish people might object. Also, new comments at the bottom of the page, please. Kleuske (talk) 16:04, 6 November 2021 (UTC)
- Ad hominem attacks will not help your case. I am not bonded to this article but it appears that consensus has already been established regarding the date convention here. Changing it unnecessarily is disruptive and not helpful to the reader. This is not the place to set forth an ideology, it is to provide information. Ifnord (talk) 16:07, 6 November 2021 (UTC)
- Following the vandalism by this anonymous troll, should this article be protected? Dimadick (talk) 19:19, 6 November 2021 (UTC)
- I know this thread lost track a bit but the CE/BCE is a more widely accepted description of the calendar nowadays, right?
Jewish Indian theory
editThis article has a section on supposed lost tribes/Native American connections. I've expanded on that to create a new article on what is known as Jewish Indian theory. It's a work in progress. Additional input would be most welcome. Bondegezou (talk) 15:50, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- @Bondegezou thanks but please fix your citations. See Help:Referencing for beginners. Thanks. Doug Weller talk 16:29, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
False Statement
editI am going to remove the statement claiming that "there is no evidence that foreigners from Assyria or other places settled the area", because it is entirely false.
See for example:
Na'aman, N. and Zadok, R. 1988. Sargon II's Deportations to Israel and Philistia (716-708 B.C.). JCS 40: 36-46.
Na'aman, N. and Zadok, R. 2000. Assyrian Deportations to the Province of Samerina in the Light of Two Cuneiform Tablets from Tel Hadid, TA 27: 159-188.
Younger, K.L. 2004. The Repopulation of Samaria (2 Kings 17:24, 27-31) in Light of Recent Study. In Hoffmeier, J. and Millard, A., eds. The Future of Biblical Archaeology: Reassessing Methodologies and Assumptions. Grand Rapids.