Talk:Tat language (Caucasus)

Split

This article should be split into SW-Iranian Tat language of North Azerbaijan and Dagestan (including Judeo-Tat) and NW-Iranian Tati language of Iran. -- Koryakov Yuri 10:57, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Done. Jahangard 09:17, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Tati Wikipedia

Hi

To develop Tati wikipedia please edit [1].

Thank you

zandweb (talk) 02:42, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Tat language template

If you are a native speaker of Tat, then you can help translate this template into your own language:

tttZuhun tati in istifadəçirə may zuhuniyü.

To the template

--JorisvS (talk) 16:34, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Saman

Tats are a subgroup of Persians and speak a Persian dialect related to middle-Persian Pahlavi. They also claim ancestry from the Sassanid Persians.

Farrokh

You will have to find better sources. Farrokh has no qualifications in history and works as a student counselor at a college. If you are correct you should easily be able to find real academic sources. Dougweller (talk) 17:27, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

KavehFarrokh.com is dedicated to the Advancement of Ancient Iranian and Classical Studies. Furthermore he is referring to a completely reliable source [Ethnicity and the struggle for power in Iran]. I doubt about your doubting regarding his reliability as a source. --Greczia (talk) 18:04, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

• That is a website which is not an academic book. Atabaki says nothing about Tats in the Caucasus being Khazar, so do not attribute such a statement to him.
• The website (which is not reliable for Wikipedia) is talking about Jewish Tats who actually speak Juhuri and have an article called Mountain Jews. A website book review is not an WP:RS source and has no place in Wikipedia. I would definitely read the definition of WP:RS.. Not every website or random book/magazine meets the definition of Wikipedia WP:RS. A website like www.gandchi.com is not an academic press.. Anyone can write a website. A book review published in academic journals (not website) might be citable..but a website is nonsense. Also Juhuri language is related but not the exact same Muslim Tat which this article is about. The Juhuri has some Hebrew influence not found in the tat language discussed in this article.

• Here is an academic book discounting the websites (which have no academic credential in wikipedia) with regards to non-Jewish Tat speakers.
  • "Among other indigenous peoples of Iranian origin were the Tats, the Talishes and the Kurds. "[2]
  • "The contemporary Tats are the descendants of an Iranian-speaking population sent out of Persia by the dynasty of the Sasanids in the fifth to sixth centuries"[3]

• I am adding these academic sources to the talkpage. However, websites (www.gandchi.com) are not reliable and neither does Touraj Atabaki mention anything on the origin of Tats. Also that website book review is not WP:RS source as the website is nor RS. The Juhuri language has its own page and even there, you cannot use websites like www.gandchi.com (etc..) and need to have some serious academic books written by experts in the area.

• Just to note, the article mountain Jews is well sourced. And the user above was probably trying to add something there about mountain Jews being "definitely Turkic". He should know, he cannot use websites that are not WP:RS.

• Both mountain Jews and Tats of Caucasus articles are well sourced by academic books and do not need random websites. Random websites are not good in Wikipedia, and also Atabaki absolutely says nothing about the origin of Jewish Tats (mountain Jews) and Tats (Persians) in his book. If the above author (Grezia) thinks he has good academic sources that show differently, he needs to cite them in Mountain Jews, but he cannot use a website. Also a book review is not a specialized source and a real book review should be published in an academic journal to be taken seriously in wikipedia and not a random website.--96.255.251.165 (talk) 03:35, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
• Hope there is no more vandalism (and false citations). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.255.251.165 (talk) 04:00, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

It doesn't matter what Farrokh is dedicated to. He still has no relevant qualifications and works as a student counselor(he does have qualifications for that). If he is referring to something by Touraj Atabaki then use Atabaki. Why would anyone use an amateur when they can cite Atabaki? Dougweller (talk) 13:02, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

I agree. Atabaki says nothing about Tats..and a review by Farrokh would only be possibly citable if it is published in a WP:RS journal and not a random website here. --96.255.251.165 (talk) 14:52, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

source on Tat in Russian

Татские этюды, Volume 1

http://books.google.com/books?id=fG2f_fgd4fEC&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false

Title Татские этюды, Volume 1 Volume 24; Volume 26 of Лазаревский институт восточных языков, Москов. Труды по востоковыедению Volume 24; Volume 26 of Труды по востоковѣдѣнію Татские этюды, Татские этюды Author Всеволод Федорович Миллер Publisher В.А. Гаттсук, 1905

Rajmaan (talk) 20:51, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

zuhun tati is correct

its will confuse people who read the article so i changed it from tati to zuhun tati Newroderick895 (talk) 20:23, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

Policy?

@Aintabli: Re:[4] I'm unaware of any sort of policy or guideline for this? Is or are there any of such? - LouisAragon (talk) 22:21, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Can't pinpoint at a policy that directly says that name alternatives should be footnoted given a certain case, but in WP:LEADLANG, WP:LEADPRON, etc. it is recommended to footnote different language names and pronunciations if they "clutter the first sentence", so I thought why not in this case, because name alternatives here, although only three, are close to that. But if you disagree, feel free to revert. Aintabli (talk) 00:20, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, yeah I get your point. I would probably agree in a different circumstance (i.e. one with less confusing names), however in this case we also have Juhuri language (Jewish-Tat), Tat language (Iran) and Armeno-Tat, so I'd say its useful to list the alternatives to guide users around. Sure, I'll rv for now. For the record, this page would benefit from a proper expansion at some point. - LouisAragon (talk) 21:42, 19 July 2023 (UTC)