Talk:Tapas/Archive 1

Archive 1

Additional information.

1. Tapas did not originate in Madrid, tapas existed before Madrid. 2. It could have been a cover card or a slice of serrano ham. 3. Tapas are common throughout Spain.

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Since many Spaniards are notorious for being night owls, some believe that it is this constant change of bars that helps keep the participants of a "tapas crawl" awake.

But the reason why so many night owls exist in Spain is that, traditionally, most people were indoors during long days -- it was too hot to do anything. the night is much milder, a reason why many shops do not close until morning.

-- Paniq 11:30, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

Do they really sleep at day? When? Office workers do 9-14 and (15/16)-whenever. Not much time to sleep even in the rare case of living near the workplace.

Shops close about 20:30 at most. Unless you count bars as shops.

--Error 16:06, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

Grammer...

Often one or more of the choices is seafood or mariscos, often including anchovies, sardines or mackerel in olive oil or squid or others in a tomato based sauce, sometimes with the addition of red or green peppers or other seasoning.

This sentence could probably be improved...

Spelling

The above spelling of Grammar could definitely be improved...Damiancorrigan 13:33, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Origin of the term

Of the three explanations offered, the first is the one I know best, the third is new to me (but interesting and entirely possible) but the second is wrong. It mistakenly assumes the English word 'cover' is always translated as 'tapa' - it is not. The idea given here would probably be better served by the verb 'cubrir' or perhaps 'tratar' - see here[1] for the many translations available for 'cover'. I have removed the explanation from the text. Damiancorrigan 13:33, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

This is correct. Tapar is Andalusian Spanish for Cubrir. However, the explanation that was removed was indeed incorrect. Regards, E Asterion ^{u talking to me?} 14:04, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Tapar may be Andalusian for cubrir but is this really the word we want anyway? I'm thinking that 'tratar' is better here. Anyway, it's agreed that the removed explanation was rubbish. Damiancorrigan 15:34, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Definitely! I agree. E Asterion ^{u talking to me?} 16:28, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

The "History" section of this page seems rather hopeless. First there is the "legend", which simply doesn't fit Alfonso X's interests (being declared Holy Roman Emperor, science (especially astronomy) at his court), or style (the King and the people as a corporation, adoption of Roman law), and the unlikelihood that such a decree would be accepted by the heavily custom-bound Castilians. (Alfonso X fought against, and eventually lost in a popular revolution led by his own son very much because of their insistence on custom-law). It also directly contradicts the story in the Etymology section below that says Felipe III started it three hundred years later.

Frankly this sounds more like the story an innkeeper made up to explain why he's charging you for a meal you didn't eat!

Alfonso came along in the 13th century. Taking this as the start of tapas, they can't be made to evolve by things that were already present. Olives from the Romans? 3rd century B.C. or thereabouts? The almonds, spices, fruits from the Moors in the 9th century? These are not going to affect the evolution of a dish that came along centuries later. The whole drift of this section is impossible and wrong. Tapas did not evolve because of the introduction of olives. The olives had already been there for over a thousand years, the almonds for four hundred years. At this point I think everything but the "Joy of Cooking" part should be ripped out of this section pending more thought and better support. 99.35.181.112 (talk) 22:09, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

pronunciation?

taYpas, or taHpas? 71.199.123.24 06:18, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

TAH-pas or TAH-paah in Andalusian Spanish (the plural "s" is lost, the last vowel is open and aspirated). Regards, E Asterion ^{u talking to me?} 20:34, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Removed image

I've removed the second image - it is a very nice picture and exemplifies Spanish cuisine, but it isn't tapas. It is a 'tabla' and would most likely have been ordered as a whole - this isn't tapas.83.35.214.13 11:36, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

External links

Hi, I removed an external recipe site link. There's gazillions of tapas recipe sites, they could all link from here, it wouldn't make the article better. The site owner objected strongly, and used another account to replace it, so it's back. Could someone with a strong view on good tapas sites take a look at what's out there and either delete the section or provide a balanced, quality-controlled selection of recipe sites. Cheers. StopItTidyUp 20:41, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

I have removed the link. Aside going against Wikipedia guidelines on external links, it may be used as a vehicle for advertising, as there is a tapas bar guide link prominently displayed on its frontpage. Asterion^talk 21:49, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

• • Chaps - I put it back, because I believe it has added value to users of Wikipedia, judging by the traffic that comes from it. A considerable amount of effort went into the site, which has no commercial interest at all. The tapas bar guide refers to "Lonely Planet" style guides to three Spanish cities, and there is no intention to carry "advertorial" messages about tapas bars elsewhere.

I have put a fair amount of research into the subject, including finding out what else is on the web - most of which is neither authentic nor comprehensive. I bow to your superior knowledge on the protocol of Wikipedia, and if it offends any guidelines I will gladly remove it - or if you feel it has quality issues, I will remove it and improve it. I only got a bit cross because it seems to me to be an easier job to censor content than to try to add to intelligently. I have contributed to the Wikipedia entry as well, but felt it inappropriate to add sample recipes there. Do as you see fit, but a bit of discussion about these things is constructive too. Fshep.

• • I've left the links in, but my concern is that this could quickly become a dump for anyone who wants to add their website. There is no quality contol over who adds links and in many articles there's just rubbish. StopItTidyUp 13:48, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

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What are goujons? The link leads to a car. Hi folks. I've reinstated an external link because it is an authoritative site on tapas. Isn't that what this article is about? Drakinv 17:14, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Asterion, can you tell me your policy on external links and why you are removing them please? The link I placed is to a site which is not blatantly commercial and offers very comprehensive info about tapas. Is this not within the rules of wiki? Drakinv 10:49, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Refer to WP:SPAM for details. Your website has a commercial intention: i.e. [2][3]. Feel free to improve the current wikipedia article with content from your website, but adding a link to it certainly looks like spam. Regards, Asterion^talk 17:56, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Keep up the good work, Asterion. Jonemerson 21:49, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Problems

I've made some minor edits (mostly style edits to keep it consistent, some grammar, added some information) but the article still needs much improvement. For one thing, the article cites no sources! --Shruti14 ^{t c s} 00:22, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Evolution?

I find the following excerpt from the article quite strange:

"In the United States and the United Kingdom, tapas have evolved into an entire cuisine. In these countries, patrons of tapas restaurants can order many different tapas and combine them to make a full meal."

Well in Spain you can "order many different tapas and combine them to make a full meal" since forever. In fact, while it is true than one of the most popular "protocols" for eating tapas is the one described in the article ("ir de tapas") Tapas bars (serving a full and comprehensive range of tapas as their main emphasis instead of just a few to go with drinks) are a permanent fixture of any Spanish cities and many people just sit down and order tapas or raciones to make a full meal.

As a Spaniard I can attest that I more often eat tapas as a full meal than in the traditional "tapas crawl" although that I also do that from time to time.

I have not seen anything at so called "tapas bars" in the UK ans US ( I have lived for years in the US and currently live in the UK) that strikes me as special or "evolved" about those establishments (unless you call outrageous prices and poor quality an evolution, specially in the UK) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.96.47.54 (talk) 22:28, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Bold textWe have a Tapas bar in Savannah Ga called the Tantra lounge-It is wonderful. We do have alot of conversation while eating but, it is mostly about how great the food tastes!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.194.63.137 (talk) 20:30, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

Result was not moved (WP:SNOW) --Cybercobra (talk) 06:17, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

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Tapas → Tapa (food) — As per Wikipedia convention on plurals in titles. The claim that “tapa” is not used in English is specious. —SlamDiego_←T 12:20, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

• Oppose "Tapa" is not used in English. See WP:UE 76.66.193.221 (talk) 05:21, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

• Opposse It's not specious; tapa is very rare in English, while Tapas is easily the common name. YeshuaDavid • Talk • 13:31, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

• Comment: Claims that the singular is not used in English would be a bit less absurd if the body of the article itself, in English, didn't use the singular. —SlamDiego_←T 16:45, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

• Oppose The use of the singular in the article is incorrect and should be changed to "tapas". I would do it myself, but do not have time for it at this moment. Clearly, some of the article was written by persons whose native language is not English.Wahrmund (talk) 22:19, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

• The references are actually more important then the (mutable) article text, regardless. Since the references seem to clearly prefer "Tapas", that's what the article title should be IAW WP:COMMONNAMES.
  — V = I * R (talk) 00:07, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

• Oppose per comments above. See previous similar discussion at Talk:Panini (sandwich) and cf. salami, scampi. — AjaxSmack 01:41, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
• Oppose. As others have suggested, tapas is the most commonly used form of the word in English, and the most likely search term. Cnilep (talk) 17:52, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Betamax/Adidas? Really?

Could someone with greater knowledge of Filipino food than mine please confirm that the foods are really called Betamax and Adidas? It sounds like a joke, but the edit was made with a lot of seemingly good info, so I'm confused. Cendare (talk) 00:28, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Possible Vandalism

Just reviewed a change about the definition of tapa in Spanish. Google translate says it means cover/lid. Is this correct? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cj005257 (talk • contribs) 19:35, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

It means both cover and appetizer. --Jotamar (talk) 17:04, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

stupid question

is "tapas" the plural form of "tapa" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.189.170.229 (talk) 21:06, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

That's right, "tapa" means lid, and "tapas" means lids. Jotamar (talk) 16:22, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

should we rename the page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.193.24.148 (talk) 20:39, 1 January 2012 (UTC)