Talk:Tanzania/Archive 1

Kagera

'Ziwa Magharibi' was changed to 'Kagera' many years ago. See for example the official Tanzania government web site: http://www.tanzania.go.tz/regions/kagera/index.html

Rweba 05:57, 23 Feb 2004 (UTC)Rweba

Tsunami?

The line "10 people killed in 2004 Tsunami" appears at the bottom of the History section. I do not believe that this was a significant historical event for Tanzania. Is there any reason for this fact being included, or should it be deleted? yakk 02:57, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)

It's just telling history, it never said it was signifigent.

Official language

Is their any source, where I can check that really both Swahili and English are official languages in Tanzania? I always thought it was only Swahili, unlike Kenya, where it's both. Marcoscramer 15:52, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

• Some of them spoke egnlish also—Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.98.248.173 (talk • contribs) 23:03, 19 January 2006

I could not find anything about that on any official government website. The best I could get is information from embassies. There seems be some lack of consession.

• "The official language is Kiswahili, which is universally spoken .. ,and is the medium of instruction in all primary schools. English is second official language, the country’s commercial language and also the main teaching language for all scientific subjects in secondary schools and higher education institutions..."

Tanzanian Consulate, Australia

Tanzanian Embassy Washington DC

• ""Swahili is the national and official language while English is the business language."

Tanzania Embassy, Tokyo

• ""Official language: Kiswahili & English"
  

Embassy Tanzania in Germany"

• ""English is the official language of education; administration and business while Swahili is the most widely used language."

Tanzanian Embassy in France

--Ezeu 21:56, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

When i was working as a doctor in Tanzania, Swahili was the National and official language, but we used English in the hospitals as it was used as the language of education for the nurses and doctors, and also to assist the English and foreign doctors working in Tanzania. I think the embassies which have replied above have answered this particular query. Thanks to them for being involved with Wikipedia. --drmike 18:39, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

The important point is, of course, whether English is mentioned in some law to be an official language. I'm fairly sure Swahili is mentioned, as Nyerere made it official language after independence (probably with some law). But I'm not sure whether English is mentioned anywhere apart from in the educational laws (to be medium of instruction in sec. schools and universities). This alone wouldn't make it an official langauge. Marcoscramer 14:37, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Dr. drmike, those replies were not made by the embassies, but retrieved from their websites. That kiswahili is de facto official language is not in dispute. The question is: what are the constitutional official languages of Tanzania? / -Ezeu 19:35, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

The Tanzanian Constitution does not clearly state that Swahili or English is the offical language. In one of the sections about qualities of individuals fit to run for the presidency, it states that he/she must be able to speak swahili or english fluently. The government fully functions in swahili and it is expected to do so. Being that i grew up in Tanzania, every government form and official notice i came across is in swahili, (some government services are provided both in english and swahili, like business license applications etc). English is just widely spoken. For More Info : |Tanzanian Constitution Omoo 22:52, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Given this bit of information, it sounds like de jure no language is official, and de facto just Swahili. So I put it that way in the table. Marcoscramer 20:32, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

An anonymous user changed the official language part back to "Swahili, English" on 10th of March 2006 with the comment "Added official languages, as per the Embassy of Tanzania in Germany". Given the above noticed contradictions between various embassies, we can't consider them trustworthy sources of information. Omoo's comment above seems to suggest that there are no de jure official languages, and only Swahili is de facto official. No one has called into doubt his comment. So I changed this part back to what it said before. Marcoscramer 21:13, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Both English and kiswahili are national and official language but they differ as where u will use one.

Are you intending to say that both are de jure official. Then you need to mention sources. If you agree with User:Omoo:Omoo that there are no de jure official languages in Tanzania, then you supposedly mean that English is de facto official. From the experience that I have of living in Tanzania, I can only agree with Omoo's view, that nowadays only Swahili is really de facto official. The fact that the government fully functions in Swahili and is expected to do so also suggests that only Swahili is de facto official. Marcoscramer 18:19, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

New point concerning the official status of English

According to the Tanzanian Swahili A-level textbook "Nadharia ya lugha Kiswahili 1" by J. A. Masebo and N. Nyangwine, English is used in higher courts in Tanzania (i.e. only the courts lowest in the legal hierarchy use Swahili). In order to decide, whether this is enough evidence for English being an official language in Tanzania, we need a precise definition of "official language".

Unfortunately, the English Wikipedia article official language just first states a definition equivalent to "de jure official language", and only later admits that there are also de facto official languages, without giving a precise definition of "official language" that allows for this.

However, the German Wikipedia article about official languages gives a definition that accounts for both de jure and de facto official languages, namely that an official language is a language used by the civil service and in the communication between the civil service and the population. According to this definition, the usage of English in higher courts cannot be considered evidence for English being an official language. However, later the German article says that there is a wider sense of "official language" according to which the language(s) used in courts, in parliament and in writing the laws are also considered official languages. According to the portuguese Wikipedia, this wider sense of "official language" is also the definition for "official language" given by UNESCO.

So should we use the definition that the German Wikipedia considers the main meaning of "official language", or should we use the definition that UNESCO is said to use (the second option only seems sensible if we can confirm that this really is the definition used by UNESCO). What do others think? Marcoscramer 00:29, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

English is co-official language

According to "The Tanzania National Website" English is official language: "Kiswahili and English are the Official languages, however the former is the national language. While Kiswahili is the medium of instructions at primary school level; English is medium at Higher educational levels." Aotearoa from Poland 07:25, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

according to the 1998 edition of the encyclopedia of people and places, theofficial languages are both swhili and englishDizzyizzy 13:27, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

None of these sources is precise about whether they mean de jure official or de facto official. The above discussion suggests that there is no de jure official language, so until someone can mention a Tanzanian law that states otherwise, we should assume here that neither of the two languages is de jure official.

De facto officiality on the other hand is, as mentioned above, not a clear cut concept. As I wrote above, English is used in higher courts, so it could be considered de facto official (and maybe that's why these sources call it official). But in a more narrow sence of "official" (="used in the administration"), it seems that only Swahili is de facto official. Marcoscramer 08:05, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

In that case add English and explain how it is de facto. WhisperToMe (talk) 23:12, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

This also comes from the government website, http://www.tanzania.go.tz/educationf.html .

"Medium of Instruction

The main feature of Tanzania’s education system is the bilingual policy, which requires children to learn both Kiswahili and English. English is essential, as it is the language which links Tanzania and the rest of the world through technology, commerce and also administration. The learning of the Kiswahili enables Tanzania’s students to keep in touch with their cultural values and heritage. English is taught as compulsory subject in the primary education whereas at post primary education is the medium of instruction. With regard the Kiswahili, it is the medium of instruction at primary education while at tertiary education is taught as compulsory subject at secondary education and as option at tertiary education."

Out of the Tanzanians I know, the younger they are, the more comfortable and confident they are in English. It seems that Tanzania has almost completed a transition to a point where both languages are official. So why not say: Official language(s): Kiswahili, English (almost official)? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thecurran (talk • contribs) 16:47, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

One should clearly seperate the concepts of "official language" and "medium of instruction". Unfortunately, the article official language isn't very clear about the definition of "de facto official language" (no language is de iure official in Tanzania, so all we are talking about is de facto officiality). Its German counterpart on the other hand has more precise definitions: It defines official language in the narrow sense to be the language(s) used in administration and in the government; official language in the broad sense also covers the language(s) used in the parliament and the courts. By these definitions, only Swahili is an official language in the narrow sense. In the broad sense, English could be considered an official language too, as it is used in the higher courts (though not in the lower courts, nor in the parliament).

I don't think that it makes much sense to mention English in the table. But we should go into more detail about the issue in the section "Languages"; see the German and Spanish versions of this article for a more detailed account of the official language issue.

(Even though it's irrelevant to the official language issue, I would like to respond to Thecurran's claim about younger people being more confident with English: In the 1970's Tanzanian university students used to talk in English to each other; now they almost exclusively use Swahili. Additionally, in university and secondary school classes, often Swahili or a mix between English and Swahili is used, even though officially only English is allowed (as it is the medium of instruction at those levels); I believe that that was much less common some decades ago. Nevertheless, it's probably true that English is known more among the younger than among the older; but that's due to the general raise of the level of education. If you just compare people of one level of education but of different ages, I think it's more likely that you find that the older people speak English better than the younger people). Marcoscramer (talk) 20:48, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

• --Swahili spoken by most of Tanzanians,But english is the medium Language of instructions from primary to secondary levels including Legal system,You can see,advirtisements are in English,Tanzania constitution is in English,language of instruction from secondary school FOR all lessons excluding Language lessons,but still Swahili is widely spoken,Most FM radio stations broadcast in billingual,Tanzanians passport written in both languages,but we can not find any where to show that ENGLISH IS THE OFFICIAL LANGUAGE.Lafleure355 (talk) 10:30, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

A see also section for politician biography

Plus, I would have been happy to read where this guy is coming from [[Freeman Mbowe]

Freeman Mbowe is business man comes from Kilimanjaro area.

Map

Is there any way to get a better map of Tanzania? I understand wanting to show where in Africa it is, but this map does a horrible job of showing the shape of Tanzania. Especially since at that size, the important island of Zanzibar should be at least a little visible. --Schwael 15:07, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

History

Does anybody besides me think that Isibingo's [[1]] and [edit|] should be placed in History of Tanzania instead of under History in Tanzania? Darth Panda 18:04, 22 February 2006 (UTC) Please could you include more on Tanzania's history pre-colonisation. The current summary seems rather Euro-centric. Cheers.

Why should isidingo mentioned in history of Tanzania??that is south african series not and never to be part of our history. U can add about the well known leadrs like mkwawa?mangi meli,mangi meza?Mw.J.K nyerere if u want history or how Dar Es Salaam has started

The national museum in Arusha should probably be mentioned. Rich in pictures and also quite a few items. Think I even have a picture of it somewhere. Should upload it to the media part for public use.Ragnvald 20:17, 22 August 2007 (UTC) --history in tanzania is the only problem as it was not tought in school and now the only history which is tought is european history,majimaji war in brief and no topic about zanzibar revolution,its almost impossible to retrieve this country history.most tanzanian history is mentioned only dates rather than detailsLafleure355 (talk) 10:44, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Slaves from Tanzania were bought to somalia by somalis —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.254.11.84 (talk) 05:31, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

The photograph of Lettow-Vorbeck could have impossibly been taken march 1918 in Dar-es-Salaam, as Lettow-Vorbeck was in Portuguese Mozambique at the time, still fighting the English (and Portuguese). My guess would be that it was actually taken in 1919. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.151.197.231 (talk) 23:00, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

grammer mistakes in the article ?? ==

I'm not an expert on the subject but i guess there are certain gramatical mistakes which need to be fixed .. for example i notices a nimber of "has" is hte history subsection which probably has to be replaced with "had" .. experts please do a check on this .

grammar?

I suggest you try editing these yourself--after all that's the purpose of Wikipedia ;) Antonrojo 21:00, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Citing sources??

What is the wikipedia community standard about citing sources? The entire section about Economy seems to be lifted verbatim from the CIA World Factbook... here: https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/tz.html#Econ Tparadis 22:08, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

--Enlight 08:00, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

I agree re sources. This article appears to be rather one-sided in its historical perspective in that it more or less condemns colonialism and fails to mention any of its benefits. There are a great many excellent academic source books on Tanganyika and even on German East Africa. Christchurch 09:51, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

--Anon user 09:51, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Also missing are any reference to sources supporting the "questionable" motives of the World Bank funding, or any sources to support the described decline in life expectancy etc. If such strong statements can't be supported with citations, then I believe they should be removed.

President and Prime Minister, government and cabinet

I'd like to write on Tanzania's politics to the Finnish Wikipedia. It's hard to understand the text here. Politics of Tanzania says that the President is the head of government, Tanzania says: "The president appoints a prime minister who serves as the government's leader in the National Assembly. The president selects his cabinet from among National Assembly members." So, does "government" refer to the entire National Assembly here, and "cabinet" to the ministers? 81.197.12.28 18:23, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

The president is the Head of State and the Head of Government. The prime minister is the principal assistant to the President, leading the day-to-day functions and affairs of the Government, including the the National Assembly. The National Assembly consists Members of Parliament, and the Cabinet (selected from the National Assembly) are ministers. See the Government website (Public Administration).--Ezeu 18:38, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps this page will be helpful: List of Tanzania National Assembly members. The page shows the members of parliament, their constituencies, and their cabinet positions (if any). The information is presented in alphabetical order by last name, and then again arranged by constituency. Malangali 13:31, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Capital

Which capital is it? Dodoma and Dar es salaam are 2 different cities! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.253.203.94 (talk) 19:45, 9 December 2006 (UTC).

Dar es Salaam used to be the capital and is still the biggest city and most important business hub in the country. Dodoma is the capital where the Parliament is established. It is something like Washington D.C.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 213.98.234.207 (talk • contribs) December 2006.

There is inaccurate information on Tanzania in this article. Dodoma was designated as the new political capital in 1973 not 1996. All government offices were to have been transfered by the early 1980's, but weren't for various reasons including lack of sufficient water supply and most likely because no one wanted to move from Dar es Salaam, which is on the shores of the Indian Ocean to Dodoma which is in the middle of nowhere. Although new Parliament building were erected, they are only occupied for a few weeks each year in the month of June, when government officials all pile into their SUVs and make the 6 hour journey. There is only one ministry that has relocated to Dodoma and only partially. The introduction should be corrected to reflect this.- Dagobert, December 9, 2007, 2037 EAT. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.43.76.248 (talk) 17:38, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

The article on Tanzania says the capital moved from Dar es Salaam in 1996, the article on Dar es Salaam says 1974, the article on Dodoma says plans were made in 1973 and the the National Assembly moved in 1996. Seems to me we need one consistent answer. Perhaps: "Plans were made in the early 1970s to move the capital inland to Dodoma. These plans were approved in 1974, the National Assembly did not move until 1996 and many government offices remain in the old capital." DavisGL (talk) 07:42, 5 July 2009 (UTC) --I'm tanzanian bt I don't know my capital until today,maybe I don't know the meaning as wellLafleure355 (talk) 10:50, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Proposed WikiProject

In my ongoing efforts to try to include every country on the planet included in the scope of a WikiProject, I have proposed a new project on Eastern Africa at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals#Eastern Africa whose scope would include Tanzania. Any interested parties are more than welcome to add their names there, so we can see if there is enough interest to start such a project. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 16:30, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

ˌtænzəˈniə

I have asked for a citation with the {{cite}} tag for the pronounciation ˌtænzəˈniə but it keeps being deleated. The reason I ask is that I'm pretty sure the correct pronounciation is actually something like ˈtɑnˌzæniə (probably not quite correct as I'm not good with IPA). This pronounciation also seems more logical to me, given the evolution from Tanganyika and Zanzibar. Anyway... If its correct can we please have a citeation, else find out which is correct and change it. Thanks. 82.32.73.246 05:00, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Alright, I've added a reference. --Ezeu 06:57, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

I am interested in the project Vmasanja (talk) 17:42, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

If help or clarification or sources or information is needed...

If anyone needs any information about tanzania or clarification or anything, feel free to leave a message on my talk page. I live in dar-es-salaam, tanzania, and I'll do my best to get information that you ask for. Nish81 20:47, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Welcome, just start editing. Add what is missing, correct what is wrong. --Ezeu 21:28, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Information Please

I am currently involved in Model U.N. My country is Tanzania. I was wondering if you had any information on Tanzania's political allies and adversaries or had any helpful sites. Chris 23:05, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

History section rewrite

The history section is 2800 words and the whole article is 5450 words, so it's just over half the whole thing. The main article History of Tanzania is only 1400 words. The history seciton also reads as if it has been cobbled together from other articles -- it's out of sequence, repetitive in places and contradictory. As well as inline citations it lacks wikilinks and recognition of other articles such as German East Africa, Tanganyika, East African Campaign (World War I), Zanzibar, and so on. I suggest cutting by 60% and moving useful material to History of Tanzania. I would have a go but I'm working through a list of other priorities. Rexparry sydney 10:21, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

I agree. --Ezeu 15:38, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Either under History of Tanzania or under Economy there is need to mention that Zinjanthopus (the oldest skul of what could be the first human being) was discovered in Tanzania at Olduvai George. Vmasanja (talk) 17:51, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Left

Nowhere says they drive on the left. I think i'll be interested to have it.--Nauki 12:42, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

percent vs percentage points

Currently the economy section reads "The impact of this power gap is estimated to have reduced national GDP growth by at least four percent to 5.9 for 2006." What is probably meant are four percentage points rather than four percent, because growth reducing by four percent is quite a small difference. Growth reducing by four percent to 5.9 percent means that it was 6.136 percent the year before. If it was 9.9 percent the year before, then we need to write "percentage points" instead of "percent". Marcoscramer 22:08, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

HIstory section

This section is top-heavy. I found a similar problem at the history section of Zanzibar. I lopped off most of it, merged the good stuff into History of Zanzibar, wrote a lede for that, and rewrote that more briefly as an appropriate history section for Zanzibar. (Comments and amendments welcome over there.) I see the history section here, and its (non)-relationship with History of Tanzania, have received the same criticism. I propose the same attention. Any objections? BrainyBabe (talk) 21:37, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Done. BrainyBabe (talk) 13:47, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Vocabulary precision

"No language is de jure official, but Swahili is the de facto official national language, used for inter-ethnic communication and for official matters."

De jure means legal and then "official". So if Swahili is the official language, it is also de jure, not "de facto".Mitch1981 (talk) 17:27, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Mafia

The island of Mafia (near Pemba) is nowhere mentioned in the article. See mafia island ref —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.246.129.42 (talk) 17:44, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Unique

Being a pedant, I changed the phrase 'relatively unique' to 'relatively unusual'. Strictly speaking, the word unique cannot be qualified - something is either unique or it isn't. It does not make sense to describe something by degrees of uniqueness. Pftaylor (talk) 22:33, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Religion

Shouldn't religion be mentioned somewhere? Tue Jan 17 19:24:49 UTC 200 religion has been mentioned before majorly 3 Christian,muslims and traditional religins.

I was going to say the same thing. I'm going to find a place to link to Religion in Tanzania in here. Pirate^Argh!!1! 17:19, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Corruption and unneccesary government spending?

Short-term economic progress also depends on curbing corruption and cutting on unnecessary public spending

Is government corruption a big problem in Tanzania? I was under the (possibly mistaken) impression that it was one of the better countries in Africa. The citation given regarding an aircraft purchase doesn't really have anything to do with it. Also, 'unnecessay public spending' seems to imply social programs or something of the sort, of which I don't see any evidence.

Yes goverment corruption is a big problem in Tanzania though thats why we have PCB

• Corruption is a very big problem. See EPA scandal and the Richmond Power company shady dealings for examples at a national level, and it's extremely wide-spread at a local level. Nish81 (talk) 16:02, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Demographics section of Tanzania article

The Demographics section of the Tanzania article is a single paragraph that seems to be directed at correcting or changing information about a single ethnic group in a single area, not about the demographics of the country as a whole.

Considering the diverse demographics of Zanzibar alone, and considering the size and diversity of Tanganyika on the mainland, this section really needs to be greatly expanded, but I am not qualified to do that.

JRThro (talk) 16:04, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

I agree with you JRThro. Whoever is making these unconstructive and silly edits to the Demographics section should stop. To whoever is doing this, this is about the Demographics of Tanzania, not that we should include certain information and that this tribe lives in that area. It's probably best to put this in the article 'Demographics of Tanzania' and place a hidden comment beside it. But, having said that, I and many others read this article regularly and I am becoming increasingly sick and tired of that unnecessary information being there. I do not have the time to spare to edit it though. --Billsta1 (talk) 11:26, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

How many districts?

The regions and districts section says there are 98 as well as 99 districts. The section links to a page saying there are 127 districts. Wakablogger2 (talk) 22:34, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Languages

The Swahili article states that swahili is spoken by 90% of Tanzanians, but doesn't say what other languages are spoken by the groups that do not speak Swahili. The section on languages in this article doesn't clarify the point either. Does someone want to research what languages are spoken by non-Swahili speakers specifically? -Bonus Onus (talk) 23:09, 12 March 2009 (UTC) They also speak Somali mostly ethnic Brawinis in Zanbir —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.254.11.84 (talk) 05:36, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Proposed merger with Education in Tanzania

I suggest that this article be merged with Education in Tanzania. Education is a topic, which is important enough to be added. Furthermore, Education in Tanzania has not much content. Sarcelles (talk) 15:48, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

I oppose the merger. The Tanzania article is long enough as it is, so splitting off into subarticles is appropriate. -Lilac Soul ^{(Talk • Contribs)} 07:50, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

APPROVE It needs to have a short section on education, just a paragraph or so, and than it can be linked to the main one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.161.69.40 (talk) 05:54, 29 January 2010 (UTC) Oppose. There is clearly enough information in the article to sustain an article. Sabine's Sunbird talk 19:36, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

I have a suggestion: The content of Education in Tanzania should be integrated in this article, but the article Education could be kept. I would integrate additional content into that article after its content would be integrated into Tanzania. Sarcelles (talk) 19:43, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Hey folks. I just merged a very small part of the education article into the main article and linked to it. Hope that's fine fore everybody. Gromobir (talk) 01:12, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Unitary or federal republic?

Is Tanzania really a unitary republic as in the article, or a federation of Tanganyika and Zanzibar? We also have this article ‘federal institutions of Tanzania’. The article states ‘The semiautonomous relationship between Zanzibar and the union is a unique system of government.’ – Kaihsu (talk) 10:27, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

I have the same question. I am going to remove the reference to it being a unitary republic. Lawdroid (talk) 18:27, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Club Penguin?

I really doubt Club penguin was one of the progenitor nations of Tanzania. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.203.46.7 (talk) 07:40, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

HDI

I doubt abt HDI of Tz shown in this article, why do I doubt? The HDI of Malawi 2008 is 0.493(as per wikipedia) and is ranked 160th but Tanzania with HDI of 0.398 as of 2010 and ranked 151th. Please anyone to crosscheck and correct it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 183.83.171.190 (talk) 10:42, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

I updated the HDI data to new 2011 report. TZ is 152nd with a value of 0.466. Junius52 (talk) 07:57, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

Geography Section

This line at the beginning of the first paragraph in the geography section is awkward:

For more information on Maasai pastoralism as part of the Globally Important Agricultural Heritage Systems, see: GIAHS

It doesn't fit with the rest of the paragraph, and should either be moved or deleted. Tdf4638 (talk) 15:47, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Deletion of GDP per capita figures

A user insist on deleting the GDP per capita figures from the article, because 'that data is flat wrong'. He insist that, since the IMF estimate was based on 2006 population projections rather than the 2012 census, the GDP PPP per capita should be "1,643.90, not the IMF's erroneous 1,566.71". Apparently he thinks that the reader is better served by letting him wonder if the GDP is $10,000 or $1,000, rather than using a figure that, by his own estimate, could be off by 100 dollars.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 00:56, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Intentionally misrepresenting what I said, even when preceded by "Apparently", is incivil and disruptive. This is especially the case when it would have been so easy to quote me by referring to my talk page, which you "clearly" (not "apparently") know how to do. What I said there:

Whether the difference is "unusual" is irrelevant to the question of whether the per capital figure is "wrong". There is no doubt that the figure is, in fact, "wrong" based on the official census. The International Monetary Fund's (IMF) population estimate for 2012 was 47,142,648, which is 2,213,646 more than the 2012 census result of 44,929,002, a 4.9 percent discrepancy. The per capita GDP (PPP) based on the census would have been 1,643.90, not the IMF's erroneous 1,566.71. There is no cited proof that the IMF would ignore the results of the census. Therefore, the IMF's per capital figure is, in your terms, "unacceptable" and, in my terms, "inaccurate" and, therefore, "unencyclopedic".

I trust that you will not be engaging in this type of behavior again. Cheers. AfricaTanz (talk) 18:14, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

There is nothing uncivil or unusual in my behaviour. I only wanted to avoid you the shame of being associated with your own words, but apparently you don't mind. Nobody other than you supports the removal of figures that are available on any other country-level page over a back-of-the-envelope calculation made by some guy. These figures have been part of the article since its inception. Can you muster a consensus that they should be removed? If not, put an end to your edit warring, or you might be blocked again shortly.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 03:52, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Maybe in your world your behavior is neither incivil nor unusual. But this is Wikipedia. There are all kinds of rules here about intentionally misrepresenting the actions and opinions of another editor, which you have just admitted you have done. You, my new protector and friend, are the edit warrior. You will be reported shortly. Cheers. AfricaTanz (talk) 04:16, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Adding homespun GDP calculations to the article is also unacceptable.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 03:55, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Simple division of data from a well regarded reliable source is neither unacceptable nor original research. Cheers. AfricaTanz (talk) 04:16, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

If you don't have a valid source for your figures, they will be removed as OR.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 04:34, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

That's not your decision to make by edit warring. Refer to WP:OWN. Cheers. AfricaTanz (talk) 04:41, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Not my decision indeed, just a matter of policy.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 04:58, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Some additions

I think you should mention Olduvai Gorge briefly in the history part and put a picture of Mount Kilimanjaro--Lonewolf94 (talk) 09:45, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Agriculture plays an important role in Tanzania, but this article has very little information about that fact, and nothing about what they grow.85.226.31.62 (talk) 17:08, 4 July 2013 (UTC)