Talk:Tamil Eelam/Archive 2

Archive 1

Archive 2

article cleaning !

removed the info about the LTTE which is not required in the caption of the article . --Doctor muthu's muthu ^{wanna talk ?} 06:53, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

NO ancient Tamil name for Sri Lanka called Eelam!

Statement in this article "The name is derived from the ancient Tamil name for Sri Lanka, Eelam." is a distortion of history.

It is surprising why such statements were not verified and corrected. There are NO reasonable historically worth evidence to refer Sri Lanka as Elam in Tamil or any other language.

Verifiable Historical Evidence to prove, Elam referred elsewhere, and not Sri Lanka:

1. In Rig Veda, the sunken land of Ilam of the Tamils, is called Kumari Kandam (The Virgin-Land). Refer: South Indian Origins of Vedic Agni

2. Elam was an ancient civilization located in what is now southwest Iran. Refer: Elamo-Dravidian , Elamite language , List of rulers of Elam

Therefore, Tamil Eelam concept referring to Sri Lanka has no roots and an intentional distortion of history.

I wish, rest of the online literature on Tamil Eelam lies be corrected by the same [organization] diasporas, responsible for posting them.

Reply to: Lakshan Bandara —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fonsidream (talk • contribs) 21:00, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Hello Lakshan Bandara. I can show you one of the old inscription von Rajanedra Chola from Kolar, Karnataka in the 11th Centuary. To show you, that Ilam or Eelam is a tamil name for the whole Island. The Word "Tamil Eelam" is a neologism from the 70's from the day of revolution started...

“ In the 8^th year of the reign of Kopparakesarivanmar sri Rajendra Sola Deva, who-..conquered with his great war-like army Idaiturai-nadu, Vanavasi..etc.-
..the crown of the king of Ilam(Ceylon), and the more beautiful crown of his queen; the beautiful crown and the necklace of Indra, which the king of the south (the Pandya) had previously surrendered to the kings of Ilam; the whole of Ilamandalam surrounded by the clear sea;.. ”

I reffer with your name Bandara, that you are a sinhala-brother... how many tamil language knowledge you have? Let us live in Peace...as Sinhala, tamil or muslims.... EELAM = TAPROBANE = LANKAPURI = ILANKAI = LANKA = CEYLON = SRI LANKA are all names for the wonderful island.... let us share this beautyfull Island!--Tamilstyle (talk) 08:11, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Renewing Tamil Eelam

I have reordered the structure of this article. Before it was a chaotic article.

We can expand the geography and create a demography section. In Geography, the facts about Climate and forest or something would be good.--Tamilstyle (talk) 09:08, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Hi! The infobox was removed previously from the article as including it would violate WP:NPOV.

Also, I have a problem with a lot of the material contained within. Tamil Eelam is a non-existent entity. It has been proposed in various forms over the last 40 or so years, and has remained proposal only. So saying Trinco is the capital, Tamil is the official language etc is WP:OR as something that has never existed cannot have a capital or an official language or a time zone.

And the flag, do you have a citation for it? The only Flag of Tamil Eelam I'm familiar with is the old LTTE flag. --snowolfD4 ^{( talk / @ )} 10:36, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Puttalam is not part of Tamil Eelam

Vaddukodai Resolution said only Northern and Eastern Provinces. The LTTE in their final call said only Northern and Eastern Provinces (ISGA). This stamp they did in 1983 doesn't include it either: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tamil_eelam_stamp.jpg The TNA today represents the Northern and Eastern Provinces. Puttalam is never included.

Regards, BLK

• 1976 - TULF's Vaddukoddai Resolution only claims the Northern and Eastern provinces for Tamil Eelam but it does mention that historically Tamils lived on land north of Chilaw (i.e. Puttalam District).
• 1977 - TULF election manifesto claims "the territory stretching in the western sea-hoard from Chilaw through Puttalam to Mannar and thence to the Northern Regions and in the East, Trincomalee and also the Batticaloa Regions that extended southwards up to Kumana or to the northern banks of the river Kumbukkan Oya" as Tamil Eelam.
• 1990s/2000s - All maps of Tamil Eelam produced by the LTTE include Puttalam District.
• 2003 - The ISGA proposals by the LTTE doesn't mention Tamil Eelam, it only deals with power sharing. The fact it only mentions the Northern and Eastern provinces is irrelevant.
• 2010 - TNA drops demand for independent state, so the fact it's only active in the Northern and Eastern provinces is irrelevant.
• 2012 - The Transnational Government of Tamil Eelam, one of the last organisations to campaign for an independent Tamil Eelam, includes Puttalam District in their logo.

Please remember that as an encyclopaedia, Wikipedia should include historic records, not just what is happening on the ground today. In the past TULF/LTTE have claimed Puttalam District to be a part of Tamil Eelam. Today the chances of achieving an independent Tamil Eelam, with or without Puttalam District, are nil. This really isn't worth having a dispute about.--obi2canibe^{talk contr} 21:33, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

I understand where you're coming from, but the concept of Tamil Eelam is a current issue and not simply a historical one. Many people especially Indians and others look to this article to understand which areas are of Tamil majority. It would be misleading then to include Puttalam because it's not an area of contention on the ground -- be it during the TULF era, the LTTE era or the current TNA era. I was motivated to correct the map after seeing a picture of a large print out of it being used at a Indian function.

On 1976 -- the areas they claim are the only ones that are pertinent.

1977 -- this refers to the areas that the Dutch considered the Tamil areas; it is a historical reference simply put. 1990s/2000s - Most of the maps that come up on google search seem to be independent user generated ones and not ones that can be tied directly to the LTTE. The stamp seems to be the only one attributed directly to the LTTE. 2012 -- Transnational Government in their manifesto demand only the Northern and Eastern portions. Further it hasn't been directly elected by a majority of the Tamil people as their representative nor has it any power over any of the areas claimed (like the LTTE). In my opinion, the logo was designed based upon the Wikipedia image and thus is incorrect.

Regards, --BlueLotusLK (talk) 00:02, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

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Not done: Blank request. Sarahj2107 (talk) 16:39, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

Tamil Nadu adopts a resolution for a referendum on Eelam

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Protected edit request on 9 October 2016

103.247.50.155 (talk) 06:28, 9 October 2016 (UTC) Below page is promoting terrorist group & their concepts. Wikipedia must not aid to promote terrorism. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamil_Eelam

See WP:NOT CENSORED - Wikipedia is not censored and as such it is highly unlikely that this edit will be done. --Cameron₁₁₅₉₈ ^(Talk) 06:35, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 19:18, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

Simply theres no State, province or at least a village in Sri lanka called "Tamil Eelam". Therefore this whole page is misleading millions of wiki readers and by not investigating this matter, and remove this page wiki owners misleading whole world.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Obmoloc82 (talk • contribs) 14:28, 30 October 2016 (UTC) 

That may be your view, but a proposal or claim can exist without the thing claimed or proposed existing. So for example Greater Serbia is just the same. MPS1992 (talk) 15:10, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

The Tamil word Eelam "ILAM (ஈழம்)" means "The Land of Sinhala People"

1. The name ,Eelam ( actually it is “ILAM”) in Tamil it is ஈழம் ,so today trying to impress the meaning , The Land of The Tamils. But it was not used in that sense. The Tamil word ILAM (ஈழம்) does really mean The Land of Sinhalese People. Please refer (here) ,the page 382 of Tamil Lexicon Dictionary published by the University of Madras. It has the following entry "Pāli, Sīhala. < Siṃhala. 1. Ceylon; சிங்களம்" for the Tamil word ஈழம் (ILAM). Similarly the same proves (here) in Miron Winslow - A Comprehensive Tamil and English Dictionary,It has the following entry Ceylon, Lunka, the Cingalese country, சிங்களதேயம். Also go through this. In another words "ILAM" reads SINHALUM , சிங்களதேயம்(Sinkalateyam).
2. The term "ILA" in Tamil means "SINHALA" (Having its origin to the word "HELA"),"HELA" means ancient people of LANKA(Ceylon). ILAKKACHU in Tamil means Sinhala Coins. In the same way , ILANADU(ILA=Hela ,NADU= Land) means the "Sinhala land".the word "ILANADU" was obtained from the word "ILAM"(Eelam ஈழம்). Go through this.
3. Hence, the word "ILAM" (Eelam) by no means refers to any Tamil Land but it is The Sinhala Land, the traditional homeland of the Sinhalese people.The article name and its contents are misleading readers.--RsEkanayake 18:13, 11 November 2016 (UTC)

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Tamil Eelam and Dravida Nadu

It is my impression that DMK was a supporter of the separationist Dravida Nadu movement. DMK was (and is) opposed to Hinduism. Has there been connection between Tamil Eelam and Dravida Nadu concepts? Malaiya (talk) 22:59, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

Most (all?) of the demographic information in the infobox lacks a supporting reference and is original research. The map of Tamil Eelam also lacks a source.

Looking at the sourcing for the demographic information in the infobox I see that it comes mostly from the Sri Lankan 1981 census for specific districts and is compiled from them. These are not the statistics for Tamil Eelam per se, the borders of which were never fixed. The Tamil Tigers never controlled all this area, but it is not clear either than they even claimed all of this area. Even if they did, these are not the statistics of Tamil Eelam, but Sri Lanka.

Indeed, it is interesting that in the entire article there is no actual definition of Tamil Eelam's borders. The map in the article lacks a source, however there was a discussion about the actual territory claimed to Tamil Eelam which appears to have varied over time, without specifically delineating exactly what territory should be part of it. FOARP (talk) 13:27, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

"Update"

@YaSiRu11: Explain why did you remove content with an edit summary update[1] and why the content must be removed if a political ideology is not supported presently? - SUN EYE 1 13:30, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

@YaSiRu11, You've again reverted claiming, "I clearly explained how it is no longer supported" and where is the clear explanation? - SUN EYE 1 13:42, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

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When a separatist state ceases to exist it should be explained in the past tense as the proposed state is no longer present. Like in Confederate States of America. The people and the political parties that represent them have forfeited their claims on such a separatist state. it is not the ideology that is gone but the claim by the people. The article stated "[Tamil Eeelam] is a proposed independent state that many Tamils in Sri Lanka and the Sri Lankan Tamil diaspora aspire to create in the north and east of Sri Lanka". But there is no evidence to say that the people aspires that YaSiRu11 (talk) 13:46, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

@YaSiRu11That was not my problem, you haven't explained why you have removed although encompassing the traditional homelands of Sri Lankan Tamils.[2].- SUN EYE 1 13:53, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

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@Suneye I deleted that because it was a opinion, not a fact. But, You can add those back if you want to with correct sources to prove that it was a fact. YaSiRu11 (talk) 14:03, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

That version had WP:EDITCON and edit warring over it and removing it with an "Update" is WP:DE. The content you removed literally says "traditional".- SUN EYE 1 14:28, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

Many Tamils support Tamil Eelam, it is completely false to say it is only in the past tense. I for one support it 100%. Does not mean that I think it is possible, it is a dream. Regardless, using past tense 'aspired' when there is clear evidence to the contrary is completely wrong. The supporting references clearly show this. Check the ICG report, the post war referendums in the diaspora had 99% supporting Tamil Eelam. If a similar referendum was allowed in Sri Lanka, overwhelming majority would also support it, but it is illegal in Sri Lankan constitution, so it is not possible. Oz346 (talk) 19:35, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

Demographics of "Tamil Eelam"

Please refer "demographics" subtopic under Wiki Page of "Sri Lanka Northern Province".

%Tamil has increased in 2012 census when compared to 1981 census. %Sinhalese has decreased in the same time period.

Therefore the statement "demographics has been heavily altered" "due to "state sponsored colonisation schemes" is wrong and misrepresented. If above census data is to be argued upon please provide sufficient proof. MelaJu2604 (talk) 00:55, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

It includes Eastern province not just the North as well anyway thanks for your message above.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 02:29, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

As Pharaoh of the Wizards has stated, Tamil Eelam includes the Eastern Province and Puttalam District. I suspect that if the population figures were updated to give the 2012 census figures you would find that the percentage who were Tamils has actually fallen due to the hundreds of the thousands of Tamils who have left Sri Lanka since 1981 and, of course, due to civil war deaths.--Obi2canibe (talk) 17:14, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

Civil war deaths and leaving the country would've changed the population figures before 2012. 2012 census figures are given. 2012 census figures would be after the civil war (ended 3 tears prior) and any migration. The increase in %Tamil in 2012 figures vs 1981 figures is proof that there hasn't been an increase in the %Sinhalese. Forgive me for including the Eastern province and Puttalam Districts. I did not include them because areas of those regions have historically (well before the civil war) held Sinhalese majority areas. Ampara being an example. Hence those areas would skew the %populations. I included only the North since the North has been the only region to be completely historically Tamil majority. MelaJu2604 (talk) 09:55, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

Sorry to say Trincomalee and Batticaloa in particular are Tamil areas. Eastern province is clearly part of it.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 15:47, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

Trincomalee and Batticaloa aren't the only cities in the Eastern province. You clearly don't know what you're talking about MelaJu2604 (talk) 04:30, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

I was referring to Trincomalee District and Batticaloa District sorry wrongly linked it to the cities.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 04:39, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Please respond to clear demographics in the Nothern Province as well. You haven't provided an answer to that. If you don't I will refer this to a Wikipedia notice board MelaJu2604 (talk) 04:40, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

%Sinhalese has decreased in both these districts after the war. Clearly contradicting any "Sinhala colonisation". MelaJu2604 (talk) 04:42, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Sinhala colonisation has recommenced and intensified after the war, in many cases in formerly Tamil areas which were ethnic cleansed of the Tamil inhabitants which have lived there for generations. The Sinhala colonisation schemes which lead to major Sinhalisation of formerly Tamil speaking regions in the east happened well before the war. Just comparing 1981 and 2012 census is very selective and is cherry picking. You need to compare to ALL the censuses before 1981. Anyway, there is more than enough data and evidence proving that the Eastern province was a overwhelmingly Tamil speaking region in the 19th and 20th centuries. And it was regarded as part of Tamil Eelam by those who proposed Tamil Eelam.Oz346 (talk) 05:25, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

"I did not include them because areas of those regions have historically (well before the civil war) held Sinhalese majority areas. Ampara being an example."

The overwhelming majority of Sinhalese who live in Ampara and surrounding divisions are descendants of 20th century colonists and settlers. A minority of Sinhalas were living in the interior prior to these colonisation schemes along with Veddas. The littoral areas were almost exclusively Tamil speaking. This can be seen clearly in the census data. Oz346 (talk) 05:35, 17 September 2021 (UTC)