Talk:Tamblot

The Authors of this Article must be in the Spinzone

Before 7/11/09, This article contained many statements that were either off-topic (such as the first and second statements) or were out-right biased. I have Edited this article to meet Wikipedia's neutrality standards. The following Statements were formally included in this article.

• "The Boholanos, even before the coming of the Spaniards, already believed in the first man, the flood, paradise, and the punishment after death. (Blair & Robertson, Vol. 29, p. 283). These are beliefs similar to Christianity. They had a tabernacle-like worship place at Malabago, Cortes. [4]"
• "Yet the same account in “Medina’s Historia” said that when Alcalde Mayor Juan Alcarazo was hit by a stone, got wounded and fell to the ground, he arose cured by calling on the Holy Child. It was called a miracle! But when Tamblot produced wine and rice from the bamboo stalk, prayed for rain and the rains came and the leaves turned into fishes, it was called trickery or the work of the demon. This is really biased reporting. The Spaniards did not deny the events but only attributed it to different sources, demon for Tamblot and Holy Child for the Spaniard. [4]"
• "...free themselves from Spanish oppression"
• "... because in the face to face contest of power, Tamblot performed more miracles than the Spanish priest"

User:Fuelsaver(User talk:Fuelsaver) 6:00 PM, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

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Clean-up duty!

Hello, everyone! I know that few people are likely to see this post judging from the inactivity of the article's talk page, but I wish to record some major changes I made to the article for the sake of posterity.

References list for the Tamblot article

Firstly, let us talk about what I changed about its sources.

Prior to my changes, the Wikipedia page for Tamblot cited the following site: it appears to be a page for a daily newspaper in the province of Bohol. The news article linked above advertises various cities located in the island to presumably tourists and outsiders (though when tagging the source as unreliable in the article I mistakenly referred to the source as a "blog") by talking about the activities to do there, as well as the history of the relevant locations.

Moreover, and more importantly, it fails to cite reliable sources for the paragraphs that discuss the towns' history. Take a look at the following excerpt:

It was during the time also when the babaylan Tamblot of Tupas, Antequera led a number of his pagan followers who waged religious war against the Spaniards for fear of their Bathala being replaced by the God of the Catholic Religion.

Tamblot's place of origin, while most likely in Bohol, is unclear in terms of the exact town. The fact that this claim goes uncited, coupled with the article's promotional nature, makes the website discussed an unreliable source of information, and I have changed the Wikipedia article for Tamblot in order to reflect that.

Speaking of sources, I have also added a new source in the references list --- Gregorio Zaide's Philippine Political and Cultural History: The Philippines Since Pre-Spanish Times, to be exact --- to improve article quality with more reliable sources. There were also minor edits in the citations for two volumes of the book series The Philippine Islands, 1493-1898.

Lead section

Next, and this one is a pretty major change, I rewrote the lead section for the Tamblot article from scratch. For the curious, this is what it used to look like:

Tamblot was a babaylan or native priest from Bohol, Philippines, who led the Tamblot Uprising in 1621 to 1622 during the Spanish era. He opposed the new religion spread by the Spaniards and fought against the subsequent conversion of the Boholanos to the Catholic faith. According to Legend, he challenged the Spanish priest, and when he won, he earned the trust of the people. He exhorted them free themselves from Spanish oppression, leading 2,000 followers in what was dubbed as the "Tamblot Uprising" or "Tamblot Revolt".

While admittedly brief and thus somewhat appropriate from all that I know about the topic, the overview is lacking in detail. Apart from some minor grammatical errors that required revision, something that did not sit right with me about the lead section was that it did not fully and accurately capture the essential details of how colonial-era sources recorded the event. For instance, we know that the revolt was religiously-motivated, but this part fails to emphasize the influence of indigenous religions (i.e. the mentions of a diwata) in kickstarting the revolts in the first place. Another example would be that all (primary) sources on Tamblot that I'm aware of point to the fact that a heavy rain poured over the battleground, which the Boholanos specifically interpreted as their deity helping them, but that also fails to be mentioned lol.

Finally, the following line "According to Legend, he challenged the Spanish priest, and when he won, he earned the trust of the people" really stuck out to me. First, which Spanish priest and which challenge that the sentence is talking about is unclear. One source, the friar Casimiro Diaz who was writing in the early 1700s, does mention that after a diwata appeared to Tamblot in the hills, some Boholanos attempted to build a shrine to the deity in question, and a Catholic priest saw what was going on and went off about it, ordering it to be demolished:

Con estos embelecos se levantaron cuatro pueblos, quedando solos fieles Loboc y Baclayón. Hicieron la ermita al Demonio, la cual mandó luego derribar un celoso Religioso, afeándoles tan grande desacato; pero ido el Religioso la volvieron á levantar, y publicaron su alzamiento, haciendo sacrificio al Demonio que se les aparecía y exhortaba á dejar el ejercicio de la Santa Fé que habían profesado.

With these deceptions, four towns rose up, leaving only Loboc and Baclayón faithful [sic]. They built a hermitage to the Demon, which a zealous Religious then ordered to demolish, reproaching them for such a great disrespect; but after the Religious had left, they erected it again and made their uprising known, making sacrifices to the Demon who appeared to them and exhorted them to abandon the exercise of the Holy Faith that they had professed.

Though, of course, you won't exactly glean those specific details from the overview on its own, so that is a problem. Second, and finally, this supposed "challenge" is not what the sources attribute as the reason why Boholanos were convinced to join the cause. Instead, it was because Tamblot appealed to the community's continuing belief in their pre-Hispanic customs, urging that their local deities will help them push out the Spaniards for good.

Alzóse en este tiempo la isla de Bohol que, como dejo dicho, está frontera de Sugbú de aquella parte que mira al vendaval, ministerio de los Padres de la Compañía, en que habría más de dos mil indios, los mejores, más bien agestados y corpulentos de la isla. A estos les había engañado un Babaylán, que es como sacerdote, llamado Tamblot, haciéndoles entender que se había llegado el tiempo en que habían de salir de opresión de los Castillas; porque tenían cierta la ayuda de sus antepasados y diuatas, que así llaman á sus dioses;

During this time, the island of Bohol rebelled. This island lies, as above stated, opposite Sugbú, on the side whence blows the vendaval. It was in charge of the fathers of the Society, who had more than two thousand Indians, the tallest, handsomest, and stoutest in the island. A babaylán or priest called Tamblot had deceived them, by telling them that the time [had] come when they could throw off the oppression of the Castilians; for they were assured of the aid of their ancestors and divatas, or gods.

What's next?

While a lot has been changed in the article since this day, Christmas of 2021, improvement is still far from done. Within the next few weeks, I intend to polish the Wikipedia page's section about Tamblot's biography (I might remove it entirely due to a paucity of available information; please do comment on the appropriate course of action), and incorporate translations and summaries of primary sources on the Tamblot revolts as collected by Blair and Robertson's The Philippine Islands for additional context.

I will post updates on this thread whenever I have accomplished major changes into the Wikipedia page. In the meantime, feel free to reply with your thoughts, questions, clarifications, and suggestions in this thread!

Happy reading, Wikipedians!

Troubled.elias (talk) 18:47, 25 December 2021 (UTC)