Talk:TSG 1899 Hoffenheim

I think that the town should have its own article instead of merely redirecting here. I realize it's small, but still valid. There's an article up on the German page if anyone is capable of translating. matt91486 (talk) 04:57, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

I could attempt a translation, mind you it won't be too great with an article of that size. I will attempt to start it though. Hubschrauber729 (talk) 05:06, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

I created a stub there as a basis, but as I don't know German, I made it very brief and just based it off a Google translation.

German Cup

Hoffenheim's first German Cup appearance was not in the 2003/04 season but one year earlier. 2002/03 they were eliminated in the 2nd round (beat Greuther Fürth in the first round and lost to 1.FC Köln in the second one)--Alexmagnus2 (talk) 14:17, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Current situation in the Bundesliga

"the club lost nine games consecutively". This statement in the article was wrong, so I've changed it. After being the "Autumn Champion" the team couldn't win in nine games but the games mostly ended in a draw. That's a difference. --Ausone (talk) 22:20, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

2017-18 season expansion

There probably is a separate page dedicated to the 2017-18 season, but since it appears that that was the best season in the club's history, it should receive more than one sentence on this biography. Please expand, thank you!

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"2023–24 TSG 1899 Hoffenheim season" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect 2023–24 TSG 1899 Hoffenheim season has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 June 21 § 2023–24 TSG 1899 Hoffenheim season until a consensus is reached. Steel1943 (talk) 18:56, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

WP:COMMONNAME

We need to stop using the name "1899 Hoffenheim" as the club's WP:COMMONNAME in infoboxes for player articles (and other such articles). The common name in the English language, regardless of what German football specialists will say about WP:KARLSRUHER, is undoubtedly "Hoffenheim". This is how the clubs is referred to throughout its own entire article (history section, etc), how people refer to the club in spoken language in English, and how the Anglophone media refers to the club. There is a very small minority of people who take the time to say "1899 Hoffenheim". The club's common name is Hoffenheim, and Wikipedia should reflect that. It's mindblowingly ridiculous to just write "1899 Hoffenheim" by default because that's what we've been doing for a while. It's wrong. Hoffenheim is what we should be writing in infoboxes and stuff. Please leave your thoughts. I think that a new WikiProject Football guideline needs to be established, similar to the ones for WP:ACMILAN or KARLSRUHER. Paul Vaurie (talk) 13:08, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

From a German point of view, the term TSG Hoffenheim is used much more. The club itself operates its official social media channels (twitter: (https://twitter.com/tsghoffenheim) , instagram: (https://www.instagram.com/tsghoffenheim/) under this name, the same for its official homepage (https://www.tsg-hoffenheim.de/) .In the German media, the abbreviation TSG Hoffenheim is used also for most tables, such as here: from website of the German Football Association DFB (https://www.dfb.de/bundesliga/spieltagtabelle/) or the organisation for the first two division of the German Leagues DFL (https://www.bundesliga.com/de/bundesliga/tabelle) itself. Miria~01 (talk) 14:00, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

This has already been discussed to to death elsewhere, as you well know given that you already know what the opposing viewpoint is likely to be. If all you can do is engage with that viewpoint in a borderline uncivil fashion (referring to it as mindblowingly ridiculous is not neutral) drop the stick and walk away. Sir Sputnik (talk) 15:04, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

You probably wanted to reply to User:Paul Vaurie, however I'm definitely against the sole naming of the city (not the German custom) as User:Paul Vaurie suggested, but TSG Hoffenheim instead of 1899 Hoffenheim is definitely the most common mention in Germany. But I don't know the discussion about how it came about in the English wikipedia that 1899 Hoffenheim is used instead of the equivalent to other German clubs e.g. VFB Stuttgart, Bayer Leverkusen, VFL Bochum etc.Miria~01 (talk) 18:54, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

@Miria~01: I appreciate your input. I agree about TSG Hoffenheim being more widely used than 1899 Hoffenheim. However, I don’t see how or why the German media and German custom is relevant. This is the English Wikipedia. Calling Inter Milan by the name Inter Milan isn’t Italian custom, yet that’s what we have decided is the club’s common name in English. It’s irrelevant what the standard is in German. The English-language common name is quite clearly Hoffenheim to me. Paul Vaurie (talk) 19:23, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

The Bundesliga website does not use the 1899 and we don't have another recognisable one either. That title, I think to me, appears to be a bit too long. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 21:18, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

If there are no objections, I would suggest using the name TSG Hoffenheim (mostly affects the tables) from now if the full name is not used. 1899 Hoffenheim seems to come from the fact that there was probably a marketing attempt as the User:Sir Sputnik has stated in a discussion from 2021 (see talk:WikiProject_Football#German_club_common_names) by the club in this form at some point, but today in 2023 (actually for years in Germany) it is completely obsolete and not common as you can see on their own websites, where they try even more to establish TSG as nickname (tsg-hoffenheim.de - TSG-Youngsters).

.... In the case of 1899 Hoffenheim, it's the club itself pushing that name, presumambly in an effort to combat its image as new money club. For the others mentioned, just off the top my head TSG Augsburg and Freiburger FC exist, so are also ambiguous. Because of the diversity of extentions in common use, shortening causing ambuity is the norm rather than the exception. In uniformly applying KARLSRUHER it's something we just don't even have to consider. Sir Sputnik (talk) 01:20, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

In the English-speaking world, too, this seems to be the more common name with TSG Hoffenheim (see ESPN, Sportinglife or a mix of TSG Hoffenheim and the even more simple British naming with only Hoffenheim SkySports.com. Of course most common in the English-speaking world is Hoffenheim as in UEFA.com, SkySports.com, Flashscore, goal.com etc. Miria~01 (talk) 18:14, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

Just created WP:HOFFENHEIM. This seems to reflect the comments above, and I agree with it as well. Let's start using TSG Hoffenheim from now on, just as the club does on its own website. Paul Vaurie (talk) 05:11, 27 August 2023 (UTC)