Talk:T-Wayne (album)

Mixtape or album?

Some potential sources refer to it as a mixtape, while others refer to it as an album. Sources for mixtape: This, this, and this. Sources for album: This, this, this, and some others referring to it as a "collaborative album". Thoughts? --Aleccat 16:52, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

Why no tracklisting?

@Koavf: The track listing template is a standard, before this turns to an edit war, let's talk. Why do you think removing the infobox is better? ⠀^{𝗧𝗢𝗠𝗔𝗦}𝗧𝗢𝗠𝗔𝗦_{𝗧𝗢𝗠𝗔𝗦}⠀𝗧𝗔𝗟𝗞⠀ 22:41, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

@TomasTomasTomas: Just to be clear, the infobox is the template at the start of the article with the album name, record label, etc. But I think that a simple HTML list is superior to {{track listing}} because 1.) it is semantically accurate: The data are a list, not a table. Tabular data should be in tables, lists should be lists: we shouldn't make a list into a table just to look fancy. 2.) The template extends across the page in a way that is ugly and unnecessary plus it bumps into the infobox. 3.) There is an established style--this has been a plain list for a long time and our album style guide advises against changing it just to change it. What are your reasons for changing? ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:47, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

@Koavf: thanks, I always mix infoboxes and general templates up. As for your points: 1) The data is not simply a list, the addition of the producer is a meaningful addition that should not be only stated in personnel. It helps someone easily find the producer of each track, as opposed to looking through the personnel. 2) I'm not sure what you mean by the template bumping into the infobox, it seems clean on my end. 3) The style advice article does not specify only using the plain list format, but actually encourages a template use when more information is needed, such as producers. ⠀^{𝗧𝗢𝗠𝗔𝗦}𝗧𝗢𝗠𝗔𝗦_{𝗧𝗢𝗠𝗔𝗦}⠀𝗧𝗔𝗟𝗞⠀ 23:13, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

No problem. I don't like it and don't think it's necessary, especially since the producer for almost all of the album is the same person. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:19, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

@Koavf: If it was only one track being produced by another person, I would agree. However, there's multiple other producers other than Tha Biznes. Plus, I would say it's more visually concise. ⠀^TOMÁSTOMÁS_TOMÁS⠀TALK⠀ 01:43, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

Note: I posted this on Wikipedia:Third opinion's active disagreements subsection to see if we can have another viewpoint. ⠀^TOMÁSTOMÁS_TOMÁS⠀TALK⠀ 01:53, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

Third opinion

Response to third opinion request:

I agree with Koavf that the {{tracklisting}} infobox should stay. If most of the producers on the mixtape are the same, simply add "[common producer's name], except where noted" (no period at the end) under the all_music field; then fill in the remaining producers' names under the respective track names. Erpert blah, blah, blah... 23:44, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

@Erpert: Koavf says the template should be removed, and kept how it currently is. This was my suggestion, though I agree with adding the"[common producer's name], except where noted" part. So specifically, you are supporting the template? ⠀^TOMÁSTOMÁS_TOMÁS⠀TALK⠀ 01:59, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Sorry, I got confused. But I still stand by my own suggestion. However, your suggestion also works, except that I believe the field you're looking for is all_lyrics, not all_writing. Erpert ^{blah, blah, blah...} 22:46, 9 July 2018 (UTC)