Talk:Symphony (Clean Bandit song)

Requested move 19 March 2017

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The result of the move request was: not moved. I see a rough consensus not to move, and no chance of consensus to move as proposed. Andrewa (talk) 01:25, 26 March 2017 (UTC)

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Symphony (Clean Bandit song) → Symphony (song) – Unnecessary disambiguation TheKaphox T 13:36, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 05:54, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

• @TheKaphox: Given the usual meaning of the word symphony, a name merely "Symphony (song)" would be a bit confusing. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 05:54, 19 March 2017 (UTC)
  • @Anthony Appleyard: Seeing as Symphony has the clear primary namespace, I don't think it would be that confusing.TheKaphox T 12:05, 19 March 2017 (UTC)
• @TheKaphox: Or revert Symphony (song) to its last text edit and redirect Symphony (Clean Bandit song) to it. Symphony (Clean Bandit song) and Symphony (song) are WP:Parallel histories about the same subject, with likely more than one cut-and-paste or copy-and-paste between them. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 12:59, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

• Given the choice as to move it or not --- I am against moving to Symphony (song). It has to do with the fact that a symphony is already a musical term, adding song to it doesn't give a clean distinction for it being an entertainment song versus being an educational article for a symphony song. HOWEVER, I am curious why this is even an article. It should be deleted or at least redirected to So Good (Zara Larsson album). Kellymoat (talk)

There is another song called Symphony but it is spelt Symphonie and it is under this page Symphonie (song) so the article for the Clean Bandit song should be moved to Symphony (song) ---- unsigned comment by 86.176.4.145

Let me ask you - If you came here and you were looking to be educated. And you looked up "symphony", what would you expect to find?

If Wikipedia was solely an entertainment industry advertisement website like Discogs or AllMusic, then maybe my answer would be different. But Wikipedia is an encyclopedia of ALL things (including dumb things like lists of lists). And because we are an "all things" portal, we need to take other things into consideration. Such as The Symphony, and all of its various interpretations.

And I am going to take this a step further. There are actually plenty of songs titled Symphony. For example - Symphony X, Symphony No. 9 (Dvořák), or even a DAB page with 30 entries for Symphony No. 9. See, those are all "songs" with the title Symphony in them. You need more than simply Symphony (song). Kellymoat (talk) 21:23, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

• Support. The title Symphony (song) obviously refers to a song called Symphony. Adding the artist's name is unnecessary disambiguation. Challenging this no-brainer technical request was a waste of time. --В²C ☎ 16:13, 20 March 2017 (UTC)
• Oppose, ambiguous, Symphony (song) is a bad PrimaryRedirect, it should point to Symphony_(disambiguation)#Songs. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 21:47, 20 March 2017 (UTC)
• Oppose ambiguous: firstly per @Kellymoat: but secondly because in Purcell's time there was such as thing as a symphony song "The distinctive nature of the symphony song, a genre as closely linked to the court as the symphony anthem was to the Chapel Royal," In ictu oculi (talk) 23:45, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

Plus as the IP editor points out Symphony (Sarah Brightman song) also has an article, albeit under the German original's name. In ictu oculi (talk) 00:47, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

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Requested move 26 June 2017

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The result of the move request was:  Not done (page mover closure) DrStrauss talk 09:27, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

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Symphony (Clean Bandit song) → Symphony (song) – I would like to try this move again, as it has now been three months since the song's release. Yes, the main reason is because of unnecessary disambiguation. This is the only song called "Symphony" with an article, while the other two songs do not even have articles and are not even that notable. Plus, this song has achieved high chart positions in numerous countries, so at this point, it is appropriate to name the article "Symphony (song)". 2601:8C:4001:DCB9:8BB:55F:E0BA:1473 (talk) 21:37, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

• Oppose the Purcell era "symphony" was also a song, though we now call it a symphony song. The original use of this term is more notable than this one song. In ictu oculi (talk) 21:55, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

And again Symphony (Sarah Brightman song) also has an article, albeit under the original German name. In ictu oculi (talk) 21:56, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

• Oppose – especially when considering the Sarah Brightman song and the Symphony song genre, as well as the general undesirability of partial disambiguation. I also generally believe that the names of artists should be included in the titles of articles about their songs and albums. That makes the titles more clear and recognizable, and avoids future maintenance headaches over whether to consider some particular song or album as primary. Including the name of the artist is helpful to readers, the popularity of music is volatile, and new releases often appear with the same names (or strings of lyrics that might be mistaken for a name). IMHO, there is basically negative value in making song and album articles more ambiguous by removing the names of the artists from their titles. Three months is not a long time. —BarrelProof (talk) 23:00, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

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