Talk:Svyryd Kotsur

Foreign Language Sources

@Grnrchst@CzarI am new to editing on Wikipedia. I am wondering what the policy is for adding foreign-language sources, either as citations or to the further reading list. I know of some Russian and Ukrainian language sources that could expand this article. UnknownVolin (talk) 04:59, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

Hi @UnknownVolin, great! They're more than welcome as long as they're reliable, secondary sources, i.e., we avoid primary and self-published sources. If you have their OCLC numbers, I can help import the citations. Or if you use Zotero, there is a "quick copy" shortcut in the Export settings that will produce the citations in wikicode.

While English-language sources tend to be easier on readers for verification purposes, a non-English source from a reliable pedigree (publisher, expert, etc.) carries more weight on Wikipedia than, for example, Libcom.org, which we tend to remove as being user-generated content, similar to what can be put on any personal blog. I.e., if Nick Heath authored that Libcom post, we'd prefer to cite the original publication rather than Libcom.org. czar 05:34, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

@CzarThanks! That makes sense about going to original publications even if they are in other languages. I will put together a list of Kotsur-related sources. UnknownVolin (talk) 06:04, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

I tend to prioritise English language sources for the purposes of verifiability, as it's generally more helpful for readers that the cited sources are in a language that they can understand. But non-English language sources are absolutely an asset and I've used many of them in a number of the articles that I've contributed to, as it would be artificially restrictive to write them off. (For example: the Anarchism in Brazil article uses primarily Portuguese language sources, for obvious reasons)

Basically, if an English language source for something exists, I'll use that. If not, then I'll use sources from other languages. Grnrchst (talk) 11:00, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

@GrnrchstThanks! I added some Ukrainian/Russian sources to further reading. They could be used to expand the article. They are all written by professional Ukrainian historians. I also added Kotsur's day and month for his date of birth and "official" date of death. UnknownVolin (talk) 08:37, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

@Czar@Grnrchst In terms of going to the original source it would make sense to cite Solodar and Savchenko for most of the article. But I guess this is not convenient for English readers to verify. We could cite them alongside the Patterson article. UnknownVolin (talk) 08:45, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

Name order

I just pulled the Ukrainian spelling from uk-wiki, but I'm not sure if this is the appropriate name order or not. Family-name-first is what uk-wiki uses for the infobox as well as the article title, but given names come first in the body of the article. I suspect it's more appropriate to re-arrange them but didn't want to disagree with uk-wiki since I can't speak Ukrainian. -- asilvering (talk) 15:41, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

I put the given name first, with Volodymyr Zelenskyy as precedent czar 17:39, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

@CzarI agree that given name first is fine. Family name first in the Ukrainian entry is more of a encyclopedic convention than the order of how the name should go. UnknownVolin (talk) 08:29, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, both. -- asilvering (talk) 14:58, 12 July 2022 (UTC)