Talk:Svetlana Gerasimenko

First name

Her first name should apparently be Svitlana rather than Svetlana since she is Ukranian and not Russian. Any comments? Tkuvho (talk) 14:28, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

I guess she is a citizen of Tajikistan, so it is irrelevant. In an case, we should follow reliable sources.--Ymblanter (talk) 15:07, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

Here is a record from the Smithsonian using the "Svitlana" spelling: http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2014cosp...40E.562C Tkuvho (talk) 15:26, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

I see Svetlana for example here and here. For Svitlana, indeed, I see the Smithsonian and RFE/RL.--Ymblanter (talk) 16:53, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

Btw Ukrainian spelling should also provide Herasymenko rather than Gerasimenko.--Ymblanter (talk) 16:54, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

I tried to find her homepage to see how she herself might spell it but was unsuccessful. Have you seen any English-language publications by her? Tkuvho (talk) 17:02, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

I can check, since I have access to the citation index, but physicists and astronomers rarely add the full name, only initials. She does not have a talk page, I checked this a couple of days ago.--Ymblanter (talk) 17:06, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

No, nothing with the full name.--Ymblanter (talk) 17:11, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

Ukrainian

Any reason the fact she was living in the Ukrainian SSR should not be mentioned in the article?--Ymblanter (talk) 20:35, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

Ymblanter, this is ridiculous. See infobox: "Baryshivka, Kiev Oblast, Ukrainian SSR, Soviet Union". I have not seen that Wikipedia wrote the American Texan, British Scottish... in lead section. "Soviet Ukrainian" is not demonym. Also see Wikipedia:Notability and Soviet people. Federal Chancellor (NightShadow) (talk) 20:45, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

I would be fine with just writing Ukrainian, without Soviet. Check Taras Shevchenko: does the definition in the lead say he was from the Russian Empire?--Ymblanter (talk) 21:01, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

Your argument is not convincing because of WP:OTHERSTUFF. Because it is known as a Ukrainian poet, not Russian. Federal Chancellor (NightShadow) (talk) 22:04, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

I am not sure whay you are fighting with. Take George Washington Browne, he is defined as a Scottish architect. There is a dedicated category, Category:Scottish architects.--Ymblanter (talk) 05:38, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

WP:OTHERSTUFF. There is not written "British Scottish". It does not apply to Svetlana Gerasimenko. Federal Chancellor (NightShadow) (talk) 07:00, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

I proposed to remove "Soviet" and keep "Ukrainian", this would be a full analogy with Browne.--Ymblanter (talk) 07:41, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

Nope. It has nothing to do with Ukraine. Also see Gordon Ramsay (Changed "Scottish" to "British"). Federal Chancellor (NightShadow) (talk) 07:56, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

What do you mean "it has nothing to do with Ukraine"? When she discovered the comet, she was employed by a Ukrainian university. Do we at least agree on this?--Ymblanter (talk) 08:09, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

No, actually I am incorrect, she was employed in Almaty. Ukrainian indeed has to go, but she must be marked as Kazakhstani astronomer.--Ymblanter (talk) 08:11, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

The state called the Soviet Union, not Ukraine or Kazakhstan. She was a Soviet citizen, not Ukrainian. She is known as a Soviet scientist, not Ukrainian. Federal Chancellor (NightShadow) (talk) 08:37, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

You know, Scotland also last existed as independent state in the 16th century. Ok, I am afraid we need to take it to WP:DRN.--Ymblanter (talk) 09:21, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

I know, and? Please do not deviate from the topic. "Ok, I am afraid we need to take it to WP:DRN" — You didn't bring convincing arguments to defend "Soviet Ukrainian". Better remove the "...Ukrainian". Federal Chancellor (NightShadow) (talk) 11:57, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

I have sometimes an impression you are not really reading the discussion but bring whatever randomly pops up in your head. It should not be "Soviet Ukrainian", it should be "Kazakhstani".--Ymblanter (talk) 12:23, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

I already wrote about it. Are you not reading the discussion. She's a Soviet scientist, not a Kazakh or Ukrainian. Federal Chancellor (NightShadow) (talk) 16:00, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

If we follow up, all Scottish scientists are British, not Scottish. This is not a good argument. May be you should read the fucking manual before continuing.--Ymblanter (talk) 16:06, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

If the person is known as Scottish scientist — Scottish scientist. British? British scientist. Svetlana Gerasimenko is known as a Soviet scientist. I can cite sources? Please, Ymblanter. Federal Chancellor (NightShadow) (talk) 16:21, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

Sure, if you want to change the lede you need to cite reliable sources demonstrating she is known as Soviet scientist and not as Kazakhstani / Ukrainian scientist.--Ymblanter (talk) 16:26, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

Here are reliable sources calling her a Ukrainian scientist: [1], [2], [3]--Ymblanter (talk) 16:31, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

Dubious sources. First heard about them. Here is a more reliable sources.: BBC, RBTH, The Jerusalem Post, RT. Federal Chancellor (NightShadow) (talk) 17:32, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

Fine, we are back to Soviet Ukrainian then. Note that your second source does not call Gerasimenko a Soviet astronomer.--Ymblanter (talk) 18:30, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

Yep. Thanks for the discussion, Ymblanter. Federal Chancellor (NightShadow) (talk) 18:49, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

Sure.--Ymblanter (talk) 18:51, 4 October 2016 (UTC)