Talk:Sulawesi

TALK ABOUT SULAWESI

• The governor of Sulawesi, Drs. Sarundayang, describes Sulawesi as a "safe" place for tourists, "the land of smiling people"; but it may not be so safe if you live there. In October, 2005, four teenage girls were attacked on their way to school by machete-wielding killers, presumably Muslims. (Muslim groups have claimed responsibility for most of the terrorist attacks in northern Sulawesi.) Three of the girls were be-headed, while one escaped with severe slashes across her face. Apparently, northern Sulawesi still has a ways to go in becoming truly safe. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.24.93.219 (talk) 17:31, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

See 2005 Indonesian beheadings of Christian girls. Graham87 17:00, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

People section

I just removed some vandalism from the People section of this article. I'm afraid it's a prime target for vandals because it's blank and seems always to have been so. It'd be great if someone with some interest in this topic could put something in that section. It's tempting to delete the section altogether, and perhaps I should have done so, but I'd prefer that someone put something in it. —CKA3KA (Skazka) 22:27, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

separatist movement?

Well, I saw we have a flag of it in the article, but couldn't find a single word mentioning it. Do we have a separate article on it (if we do, why is it not linked?) Who are they? What do they want? I'll see if Google helps any. Regardz, nepTune 13:12, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

There's a separatist movement during the early days of Indonesian Independence. But the movement is not united and centralized at South Sulawesi, led by Kahar Muzakkar, who is also, shockingly, along with Sukarno fought against the Dutch. But due to disagreement about what type of government will Indonesia be (Kahar was in favor with federalism), he turned against Sukarno as well as the nationalist, and led a rebellion. But the rebellion was crushed by the nationalist army. In the early days of Indonesian Independence, there were many rebellions, like Bukit Tinggi rebellion in Sumatra and other provinces as well.Pejuang bahasa 01:23, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Sulawesi separatism seems to be left out not only here but also everywhere else on English Wikipedia. It has been listed in List of active separatist movements in Oceania and the flag is used in many articles outside en.wp - here it has been left only in lists of flags. This actually looks a bit suspicious because if there was no problem it would have been probably left in the history and everyone would be okay with it. Now we just pretend there is no such thing and never has been. --Idaeurooplane (talk) 10:40, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

Demographics & Culture

It is not clear to which part of Sulawesi the 'Arts and Culture' section refers. It is known that Sulawesi is quite a diverse island, with a number of different peoples and languages (of which Minahasa, Mamasa, Toraja, Bugis, Makassar are the better known), a fact which is not properly reflected in the article UncleMatt 17:30, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

2007/01/01

Jeff V. Pulver

This is very frustrating. I spent over 30 minutes trying to figure out how to get a question about missing content on the article on Sulawesi. This is the best route I could find.

There is no mention of coffee beans in the Sulawesi article. That is one of their most famous export items. For many, many years I used to drink a lot of coffee. Those were the pre-Starbucks, pre-Yuppie days, when one bought coffee beans. The coffee beans were named from the country of origin.

Celebes Kalossi was my favorite coffee. Today, Starbucks sells a varietal called Sulawesi. I do not know if that is the same as the one I used to buy. I used the Google search engine on the term Celebes Kalossi and there were 16,000 plus entries. I then added wiki at the end of the search argument and this URL was found: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coffee_varietals.

It appears that Wiki does know about coffee beans from Sulawesi. So, all that is needed is an update to the article which talks about exported goods.

--Jvpulver 22:16, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Recent evidence of ancient homo on Sulawesi (Celebes)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2010/feb/21/hobbit-rewriting-history-human-race

In addition, Mike Morwood says he has now uncovered stone tools on nearby Sulawesi. These could be almost two million years old, he believes, which suggests the whole region was populated by very ancient humans for a startlingly long part of human prehistory. "This is going to put the cat among the pigeons," Morwood says.76.17.118.157 (talk) 04:56, 25 February 2010 (UTC) I second the observations about the languages and economics of Sulawesi. Rice is only mentioned in the pre-history section but more and more hectares are being devoted to rice production, especially in the South, I think. Coffee is produced in the North or Central provinces (again, "I think" because I'm not sure about the extent of these crops). Also, I heard a lecture by linguist John McWhorter who said that Sulawesi is home to hundreds of endangered endigenous languages besides the eight "major" languages associated with the major endigenous ethnic groups. He noted that it will be impossible to document all or even most of these languages before they disappear.

To answer Jeff's question at least partially, Starbucks notes that the particular beans and blends from Sulawesi may have changed over the decades, so your favorite bean from years ago may not be available. Starbucks has favored a Sulawesian product called kopi kampung which may or may not give you a taste similar to what you once knew.

Milesnfowler (talk) 20:13, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

I suspect that paleoanthropologists are going to take Morwood's findings with a grain of salt from now, since his dating of the Flores Man was so ....optimistic. Kortoso (talk) 16:46, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

Geography

The caldera that is at the heart of this island is amazing. Given that this is the eleventh largest island in the world and that the outline of this caldera is clearly visible within and central to Indonesia, I wonder how it compares to other known calderas. This has got to be one of the largest in the world (50 mile diameter!). Seems worthy of some comment within the geography section. It seems to be about the same size as the original Krakatao caldera (long before the lava dome eruption of 1883), and both appear to line up well with the Reunion hot spot. Note that I am not talking about Tambora on the north penninsula (which is trivial in comparison).

Fkmerkel 13:57, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Move from Sulawesi to Celebes

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the debate was NO CONSENSUS to move page, per discussion below. -GTBacchus^(talk) 07:32, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Requested move

Sulawesi → Celebes per Wikipedia:Naming conventions (use English). English names are used for other Indonesian islands (cf. Borneo, Java, Sumatra) —  AjaxSmack  07:55, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

It was formerly known as Celebes. Now it is almost universally referred to as Sulawesi. Mgiganteus1 11:12, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

That is correct - Celebes is the old name. Same with the concurrent 'survey' on Maluku. Like peking => beijingMerbabu 12:08, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

• oppose as per Merbau, Mgiganteus1 (Caniago 12:25, 8 January 2007 (UTC))
• oppose and also please see Maluku talk page for further explanation SatuSuro 13:40, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
• strong oppose I've never met anyone who called in Celebes, and it is never referred to by that name in the English speaking media. (See Current News reports on Adam Air Flight 574 for example.) --Bwmodular 15:21, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
• Oppose. It's not the current English name, it's an archaic English name. Imc 17:10, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
• Oppose. Please come out from your dusty depot library. The real world has changed. :-) — Indon (reply) — 12:00, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Comment - is it actually the original Dutch colonial name that was merely copied by English colonials but not used for 60 years? I think that might be the caseMerbabu 12:03, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

I think so. The Dutch is still using that name, see nl:Celebes. It says Celebes (de huidige naam is Sulawesi), translated as Celebes (the official name is Sulawesi). So Celebes is not an English name, but a Dutch name. The clause of this move request case is then false. — Indon (reply) — 12:22, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

• Oppose Celebes is not the most common name even in English. --Polaron | Talk 15:14, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
• Oppose, agreeing with the reasons given above, and citing quantitative evidence: 6 million for Sulawesi beats 1 million for Celebes on Googlefight. Fayenatic london 17:49, 10 January 2007 (UTC) -- Whoops, if I restrict Google to English language pages, the ratio is only 1.26 million to 1.01 million, i.e. much less persuasive. Anyway, I agree with the other arguments above. Sulawesi is more clear-cut than the Moluccas in terms of modern usage in by English-speakers. Fayenatic london 18:04, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
• Oppose Sulawesi is coming into use; that's the difference. This is in part because Celebes is more of a distortion. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 06:51, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

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Formerly celebes

Formerly when? All over Wikipedia I see "Sulawesi (formerly Celebes)" but I have no idea when the name "changed". I found a map from 1970 which still listed the island as Celebes. Anyone? --76.18.43.253 (talk) 20:31, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

Post-WWII. — LlywelynII 02:44, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

WP:ENGVAR

Per this edit, the usage of this page was established as American English. Kindly maintain it consistently pending a new consensus to the contrary. — LlywelynII 02:43, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

confusing sentence

The second paragraph (mostly the first sentence) of the "History" section needs to be edited; I'd 'fix' it but I cannot discern the intended meaning of the sentence.

Also, the tense should be changed to plural tense (were) from the singular (was) throughout the paragraph - I'll leave that to whomever fixes the first sentence. — Preceding unsigned comment added by EyeKnows (talk • contribs) 13:46, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

I fixed the first couple of sentences. I didn't think the sentence was all that unclear, though it certainly was grammatically incoherent. Corrected the number agreement in the verbs too-- it's not tense, it's number. Tense has to do with time. 71.93.172.99 (talk) 19:27, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

Why isn't this article linked appropriately to the South Sulawesi article?

I see that there is a link to a stub article entitled "South Peninsula, Sulawesi", but nor to the main article entitled "South Sulawesi". Why?Richwil (talk) 16:19, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

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