Talk:Sukhoi Su-30

specification section is a bit misleading

The specification section lists the maximum speed of the Su-27PU/Su-30, the absolute earliest variant that lacks canards. As stated elsewhere in the article, Su-30s with canards (which vastly outnumber those without) have a maximum Mach number of 1.75. This means at the tropopause (which is what I assume is meant by "high altitude, that region from about 10km to 20km is where Mach 2 equals 1320mph as listed) the maximum speed of most Su-30s is 1155mph, or 1858km/h. It's hard to find actual citations for this because many sources simply cite Mach 2 as the maximum speed and I suspect neither UAC nor Rostec are in a hurry to correct any public misconception in favor of a lucrative export product. I do know that Janes has the correct number for the SM, as it's cited in this Aviationist article: (https://theaviationist.com/2018/01/26/myanmar-to-buy-six-sukhoi-su-30-generation-4-combat-aircraft-from-russia/), but I do not have access to All The World's Aircraft to confirm the citation. Anyone who does and is reading this should consider changing the specifications section to Su-30S or SM, as they're more widely used and likely what users will be actually looking for, rather than specs of the early Su-27PU that isn't in frontline service anymore.

Accidents section modified

27 February 2019: Pakistan claimed to have shot down Indian Air Force Su-30MKI. Squadron Leader Hassan Siddiqui flying JF-17 was credited for the kill. India denied the event.

This paragraph was added in the accidents section. This is not really an accident. Its a claim made by Pakistan and its subsequent rejection by India. This news has already been added in the su30mki page. If still you feel that it is correct, then I suggest adding one more reference where India rejected the claim. Quanta127 (talk) 07:34, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

A shot down is clearly not an aviation accident. Claiming it is an accident is misleading and not helpful, imo. -Fnlayson (talk) 12:39, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

Users section modified

Armenian Air Force has been added to the list of users; 4 delivered with 8 more on order. ArmenianSniper (talk) 08:52, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

The note in the Infobox clearly states: "Only THREE (3) 'more users' here. Listed by total number of aircraft in service." Armenia isn't in the top 4 users. so it's not listed there. It is already listed in the main Operators section, however. - BilCat (talk) 10:07, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

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Bangladesh Air force don't order Su-30 yet.

Bangladesh airforce don't order Su-30 or any other MRCA yet. "World Air Forces 2020" don't have latest information about our airforce. Bangladesh airforce will buy 16 MRCA not 8/12. Link: http://unb.com.bd/m/category/Bangladesh/steps-taken-to-address-irregularities-in-biman-minister/42858 Nafis Fuad Ayon (talk) 09:38, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

I already send mail to Flight Global. They confirmed that "Order of 8 Su-30 of Bangladesh Air Force will be removed from "World Airforce 2021" list. This is their response to my mail, "Please note that the information used in the 2020 directory is now one year old. The previously included Su-30 order has already been deleted by our data provider". Nafis Fuad Ayon (talk) 07:07, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

As per my email and information form SIPRI,Flight Global removed Bangladesh as a operator of Su-30 from their "World Air Forces 2021" list.So I am right about the information that Bangladesh Air Force is not a future user of Su-30.Please don't add Bangladesh as a future user of Su-30 again.Nafis Fuad Ayon (talk) 07:57, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Sergei Kosik

Sergei Kosik has been captured probably once, different names are used. Xx236 (talk) 09:38, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

How Su-30 has intercepted the F-35: “He came almost out of nowhere”

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How Su-30 has intercepted the F-35: “He came almost out of nowhere” https://moderndiplomacy.eu/2023/06/11/how-su-30-has-intercepted-the-f-35-he-came-almost-out-of-nowhere/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.42.34.6 (talk) 06:29, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

I'm having trouble finding this in anything I would call a reliable source, or even in many sources at all. All I can find is your source and the source it references (some website called "Bulgarian Military" which isn't affiliated with said military). The incident, if it happened at all, seemed to involve an F-35 out of Italy and not Bulgaria, so I don't know why a Bulgarian website is the only source supporting the idea that the F-35 was intercepted by an Su-30. Another source, which I also have no reason to think is reliable, is "theaviationist", which claimed that the Su-30 was escorting an An-12 that two F-35s were sent to intercept. In that reading, the F-35s essentially intercepted the Su-30, and not the other way around. Honestly, until we get some more reliable sources on this, I don't think it should be mentioned in this article or the F-35 article one way or the other. I should add that while both "moderndiplomacy" and "theaviationist" articles use the exact same photo for the encounter, one claims it happened in 2022 and the other in 2021, and the photo itself is just of one of each aircraft on a sky blue backdrop. Not exactly difficult to photoshop a photo like that together from separate photos of the aircraft flying nowhere near each other (or even in the same hemisphere). Without anything reliable, this isn't something we should include. --OuroborosCobra (talk) 17:45, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

WATCH: Russian Su-30 Fighter Forces F-35 Stealth Jets To Retreat In Their ‘First-Ever Encounter’

https://www.eurasiantimes.com/watch-russian-su-30-fighter-forces-f-35-stealth-jets-to-retreat-in-their-first-ever-encounter/

UK F-35 crashed after trying to intercept Russian Su-30

https://www.poandpo.com/news/uk-f35-crashed-after-trying-to-intercept-russian-su30/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.42.33.28 (talk) 23:36, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

These sources suffer from the same problems I've already outlined. The first cites The Aviationist as its source, and so is not any better than what I'd found that used the same photo as your "Bulgarian Military" source, but doesn't even have the event happen in the same year. Your second source is laughably unreliable. It cites an unmanned "military expert" on a Chinese portal that's basically a search engine and gaming website, and also disagrees with the other sources on when this event supposedly occurred, this time saying it was in November 2021 (The Aviationist and EuroAsian Times articles were both published months earlier than the event the "military expert" claims it happened). Additionally, while most of these sources claim the aircraft flew out of Italy, this instead flew off of the HMS Queen Elizabeth. It also claims that the F-35 then crashed, which not all of the other sources claim. So, which is it? What year, let alone month, did this supposedly happen? Did the F-35 crash or not? Did the F-35 fly out of Italy or the HMS Queen Elizabeth? Were the F-35s even intercepted at all, or did they in fact intercept the Su-30s? We have nothing at all meeting the standards or WP:RS to add to this article about the subject, and so shouldn't say anything one way or another on this. Especially not from an unmanned "military expert" (who could be anyone with a Jane's guide sitting in their basement) posting on a Chinese gaming portal. This is beyond ridiculous, and this discussion should be closed. --OuroborosCobra (talk) 19:31, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

Did you realize that the dates are different?

1) https://www.poandpo.com/news/uk-f35-crashed-after-trying-to-intercept-russian-su30/ -> Christian Fernsby ▼ | November 27, 2021

2) https://www.eurasiantimes.com/watch-russian-su-30-fighter-forces-f-35-stealth-jets-to-retreat-in-their-first-ever-encounter/ -> June 11, 2021

3) https://moderndiplomacy.eu/2023/06/11/how-su-30-has-intercepted-the-f-35-he-came-almost-out-of-nowhere/ -> June 11, 2023 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.42.36.222 (talk) 19:53, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

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