Talk:Sudan

Official languages of Sudan

This is what the text of the Constitution of the Republic of Sudan (2005) states about their official languages: "Language/ 8 (1) All indigenous languages of the Sudan are national languages and shall be respected, developed and promoted./ (2) Arabic is a widely spoken national language in the Sudan./ (3) Arabic, as a major language at the national level and English shall be the official working languages of the national government and the languages of instruction for higher education. (4) In addition to Arabic and English, the legislature of any subnational level of government may adopt any other national language as an additional official working language at its level./ (5) There shall be no discrimination against the use of either Arabic or English at any level of government." [1] So, as you can see both Arabic and English are official languages in Sudan, so I reinserted the correct information.Mistico Dois (talk) 00:32, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

I don't have any skin in this game, but I believe the 2005 Constitution was repealed by the 2019 draft charter. I don't think that that draft charter has an official language provision. If anything is an official language in Sudan right now, it comes from some other legislation—not a constitution. Unless, of course, I'm wrong. (There's a link to an English translation of the draft charter at Constitution of Sudan. I'll look for an Arabic version a little later, if this is an issue.) Pathawi (talk) 01:25, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

@Mistico Dois I think your source is far more reliable than mine even if it was superseded by 2019 Declaration as @Pathawi correctly noted that it doesn’t mention language. My edit was based on Sudanese law of 1991 buy the constitution is definitely supreme here FuzzyMagma (talk) 18:49, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

But if the Constitution was repealed, it's not really supreme any more… Pathawi (talk) 19:08, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

You say repelled but the 1st point in that declaration states that (roughly translated) all remains the same unless it contradicts the new stuff Arabic: أ. يلغى العمل بدستور جمهورية السودان الانتقالي لسنة 2005م ودساتير الولايات، على أن تظل القوانين الصادرة بموجبها سارية المفعول ما لم تبلغ أو تعدل FuzzyMagma (talk) 19:17, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

I'm not a lawyer, but I'd translate this as: 'The Interim Constitution of Sudan of the year 2005 and the state constitutions shall be repealed; however, laws passed in accordance with them [these constitutions] shall remain in effect unless [repeal is?] announced or ammended.' I take this to mean that the national & state constitutions are repealed, but other laws that were passed during their time remain in effect. So if a national language law had been passed independently under the 2005 Constitution, that would remain in effect. But a provision of the Constitution would not. Pathawi (talk) 20:47, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

@Cookiemonster1618: You seem to have missed this conversation, started yesterday, before you made your most recent edit. There is a discussion on Talk. (I agree with your perspective on this, as per my previous comment, but the conversation is open.) Pathawi (talk) 13:41, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

@Pathawi I think this accounts is trolling me. They copied my edit summary. Not sure if they want to get me into socket puppeteering issue FuzzyMagma (talk) 18:53, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Actually, I think they were supporting your prior edit & used your edit summary because it was easier. I don't think you're being trolled. Pathawi (talk) 19:07, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

I guess I needed to be reminded to assume good faith 😁 FuzzyMagma (talk) 19:20, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Current Civil War

Current civil war in Sudan and ongoing renewed genocide of Darfur peoples is totally unmentioned in this article. Someone who knows something about Africa and it’s politics - unfortunately I don’t - please update this article! Dakinijones (talk) 08:55, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

فگےڈفگگ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.176.3.102 (talk) 13:15, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Page needs to be extended-protected 24.28.96.155 (talk) 16:46, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

"Sudan (South)" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect Sudan (South) has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 29 § Sudan (South) until a consensus is reached. 64.229.88.34 (talk) 04:02, 29 August 2024 (UTC)