Talk:Stoneleigh, Surrey

Vandalism or real fact?

Ed Morgan? Can't make my mind up. It looks like a mixture of vandalism and relity. So I added {{fact}} Fiddle Faddle 14:07, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

• changed my mind. The user IP address is of a drive by vandal. Clearing the rubbish out. Fiddle Faddle 14:21, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Stoneleigh, Warwickshire - need for disambiguation page?

I've just removed an edit to this page that suggested that Stoneleigh is a village just outside of Coventry. Indeed it is, (Stoneleigh, Warwickshire).

This was obviously a good faith edit, but not relevant to this article on the place in Surrey. Does anyone think that there should be a link to the disambiguation page to clear this up? I think not, as if one enters a search simply for Stoneleigh one gets the disambiguation page without any problems. TehGrauniad (talk) 12:19, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

I see that actually a bot removed this edit as vandalism, which I don't think it was. I will have a word with the bot! TehGrauniad (talk) 12:23, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Elevation

@Barney1995: You added: "Stoneleigh is lowlying, between 29 and 52 metres (95 to 171 ft.) above sea level".

To support your edit, you added the following as a source: "'Select the respective heights in the Stoneleigh area. Ordnance Survey data is used to feed the information. As a local resident, I assure you it is accurate' floodmap.net"

The link provided is to a map of the world. I found Stoneleigh, but the elevations listed are different than those you have entered on the article. How did you determine elevations "between 29 and 52 metres"? Also, what was your source to support that Stoneleigh is "low-lying"? Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 22:32, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

Hello, it should be between those numbers. The 52 metres is at Stoneleigh Methodist Church (the top of the hill) , the 29 at the car park on Kingston Road, where the underground Ewell Court stream flows out of Stoneleigh. The numbers are fed from Ordance Survey. Regrettably, floodmap does not allow a coordinates feature in an embedded link like Google Maps or Open Street Map, but it should be found by non-locals by googling and then finding the right area. Lowlying was just a general description to indorduce the information. I would have thought 30-50 metres above sea level would be widley regarded as low lying. Barney1995 (talk) 22:45, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

@Barney1995: In other words, you moved your cursor over the map and looked for high and low numbers. I actually found a location near Hogsmill River that was 22 meters. Unfortunately, Wikipedia does not accept original research, per WP:OR. Unless you are able to find a source stating the exact elevations of Stoneleigh, and stating that Stoneleigh is "low-lying", I will revert the edit. Magnolia677 (talk) 11:08, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

@Magnolia677: Hi, the 22 metre area is in neighbouring Ewell Court (near the lake). The hogsmill goes down to about 16m down the road near Old Malden. Stoneleigh is bounded to the west by the A240 Kingston Road. The lowest area in Stoneleigh is where the Ewell Court Stream tributary meets the A240 before flowing to the Hogsmill. I didn't just move my cursor, I have excellent knowledge of the area (I live here) and know that those areas are the highest and lowest! I just clicked those places tofind the elevatiin at those locations. It's only a square mile, I wouldn't have missed a hill! I would suggest that the majority of Wikipedia is orginal research and that this is an uncontroversial and accurate statement on a non BLP page. If you removed all orginal research and unrefernced (but uncontroversial) material you would be left with very little in the way of local geographic articles, which would be a great shame.

I think the elevation stuff helps in the general geographic description of the area as it is just a sentence or two giving informative data to the reader. Please don't remove. Barney1995 (talk) 21:23, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

Reference

@Magnolia677: Miraculously, I have found a source! Didn't think I would. Will add in a minute. Barney1995 (talk) 21:41, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

@Barney1995: I have found different minimums looking at the new map you added as a source. Looking at a confusing map is not an accurate way to determine correct elevations. Please revert your edits; they are inaccurate and original research. Thank you for your understanding. Magnolia677 (talk) 22:23, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, I have tweaked the info using the data from both the references, as I have stated in the article. Will be back on here in the morningBarney1995 (talk) 23:36, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

Elevation continued

I have reinstated an edit regarding the highest and lowest elevations in Stoneleigh. This is backed up by an Ordance Survey map and a interactive map displaying the elevation of any area including Stoneleigh (Auriol and Stoneleigh Ward) It is uncontroversial and clearly correct of you go on to the reference. I have had terrible trouble with this, it keeps getting removed as "original research" when there is no way I could have intentidied the numbers without the two sources. Guidance from editors please. Barney1995 (talk) 11:24, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

This has already been discussed at WP:NOR/N, and the consensus is clearly against you: this is WP:OR. Spot heights on maps aren't necessarily located on the highest/lowest points on the terrain. Analysing two different sources (e.g. the two maps) to come to a conclusion not supported by one alone is synthesis. Neither map even shows the borders of Stoneleigh. Accordingly, it is impossible for someone looking at the sources cited to determine the highest and lowest elevations, without personal knowledge, or by doing further research into the area. AndyTheGrump (talk) 11:43, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

Fair enough. I accept that I have synthesised sources, in particular regarding the Stoneleigh border (using the epsom and ewell ward map) . I live here so I have the personal knowledge! The data is accurate, but cannot be proven w/o combing sources (ie click the 52m on floodmap and all of Stoneleigh will be underwater as it is lower) and thus all will be above water at the 25m Timbercroft location. I appreciate this is synthesis, not sure it is much original research but there are differences in opinions. Thanks for your longstanding contributions to Wikipedia. Barney1995 (talk) 12:09, 23 May 2022 (UTC)