Talk:Stone Cold Steve Austin/Archive 1

Cassidy Williams

Was born june 13 1994. Not 96. She's a good friend of mine and i see her in the summer. Her bazongas are bigger than my moms.

JANE AUSTEN

Jane Austen was his literary hero!? someone is having a laugh. More misinformation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.233.192.160 (talk) 00:34, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

2006

Apparently, someone has been posting alot of lies on this page like in the 2006 section, someone claimed that Austin had signed a new 5 year deal with WWE and was returning in 2007, that he was going to win the Rumble, go on to Wrestlemania to win the title, and then there would be a "second attitude era"...I swear, if i see something like this again, i will hunt the person down, and personally insult him

Themasterofdisguise 21:49, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

I know, now theres a thing on 2007 that hes going to stunner coach and vince, kinda weird. I mean he probably will to vince but how does he know that.

Feud with Owen Hart

austin didn't harbor a grudge per se, but he definitely wasn't happy with the way owen didn't even apologize or follow up with him afterwards. things weren't the same between the 2 after that according to austin himself in one of his home videos. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.162.216.27 (talk) 04:11, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

The Owen Hart wiki page says Austin harbored a grudge against Owen after his injury. This page says he did not. Which one is it?

He didn't hold a grudge at all, it was kayfabe. The reality was that they were both close friends before & after the match, same thing with Austin & Bret Hart.--Hndsmepete 06:29, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Actually, they DID have a real grudge. Austin was upset because Owen never apoligized for the SummerSlam 1997 incident. TJ Spyke 07:22, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes, Austin was upset with Owen, until Owen's death, because; 1. He asked him no to perform the move, and 2. Owen never apologized for injuring Austin.Mwutz 04:35, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

I call bullshit on both your accounts, considering Austin never had a bad word to say about Owen post-neck injury and was the last person on RAW is Owen to pay tribute to him.

Watch the section of the last profile DVD that was released about Steve Austin, and you can see that he did harbour some type of grudge against him in regards to the injury and the "Owen 3:16" shirts. Whether it was a full-on Bret/HBK grudge is debatable, but there was friction present.--HDC7777 14:01, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Austin had some animousity towards Owen Hart.
1) There was an interview floating around back in 98 or so where Austin spoke in detail about his feelings towards Owen. He said something to the effect of, "Owen almost paralyzed me. He called me only once to apologize while I was in the hospital. If I almost break someones neck, I'm calling them 25 times to apologize."
2) During the RAW is Owen tribute, there was some controversy over Stone Cold closing the show because of the fact that it was well known (at that time) that Stone Cold had some bad blood with Owen, and there were some who felt someone else would've been a better choice to close the Owen tribute show.
3) Bret Hart commented on the subject when he was being inducted in the HOF by Steve Austin. Bret said he apologized to Steve Austin on Owen's behalf, stating he felt that Austin was right to be upset but also took up for his brother by stating, "When Owen went home, he was all about his family and didn't think about wrestling once he left the arena. Owen should've done a better job of apologizing to Steve."

Now it's been a long time since I've read these interviews and I couldn't tell you exactly where they came from. But the page has an error in stating Austin harbored no negative feelings.

- In the page it says, that after when owen broke austin's neck he used the phrase owen 9:11. ... he didn't use 9:11... he used 3:16 watch any episode, he also wore the t-shirt saying owen 3:16 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chinshado (talk • contribs) 04:55, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Style of wrestling

IS IT WORTH MENTIONING THAT DUE TO HIS NECK BRAKE HE HAD TO COMPLETLY CHANGE HIS WRESTLING STYLE TO ALL OUT BRAWLING AS PREVIOUSLY HE HAD BEEN A GREAT TECHNICAL WRESTLER I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT AS THE IMPACT IT WOULD HAVE ON HIS CAREER AS HE UNFORTUNETLY IN MY BOOK REMEMBERED FOR JUST BEING A GOOD BRAWLER. 02.55 22TH SEPTEMBER 2007 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.106.122.196 (talk) 01:56, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

NPOV

This article seems to take some stands on unconfirmed information (Ie, saying Austin was going to be jobbed to Lesnar because he criticized the writers) that keep it from being NPOV. I think it needs cleaning up.

Austin confirmed the conflict with the writers on the WWE radio show they used to have a few days before he left.

Austin vs. Hogan at Wrestlemania?

Has anybody heard rumors of this as a possible match? If so, I believe it should be written into the ar ticle.

Rumors do not belong in Wikipedia. Everything here needs to pass WP:V --Roninbk _{t c #} 22:57, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Steve discussed this possibility with McMahon this week in chicago backstage at wwes raw , however Austin refused to accept a match where he would job to hogan

Name Issue

So why is this page here, and Levasque is at his real name? In general, we don't use real names - we have Marilyn Monroe Mark Twain Robert Jordan etc. Pakaran. 18:20, 6 Apr 2004 (UTC)

I think using real names for wrestlers is a good idea, simply because a wrestler usually has more than one "in ring name" during his career. Levesque was first known as "Hunter Hearst Helmsley", then "HHH" and now "Triple H". It would be annoying to move the page every time the wrestler changes his in ring name. Token 18:29, 6 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Dislike knowing their first names. I feel I would rather be known by a ring name. Also it maintains privacy, e.g. Micheal Hickenbottom, 3-time WWE Champion, 2-time royal rumble winner and first grand slam champion - much better to call him Shawn Michaels. Kingfisherswift 13:57, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Probably because there's already a page for A different Steve Williams. -Darryl Hamlin 00:11, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Wasn't his original name Steve Anderson though?(Halbared 08:47, 7 June 2006 (UTC))

for the bigger name wrestlers, it's better to use their ring name, for the jobbers and midcarders, it's better to use their real names --Jdrouskirsh 05:22, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

1. Levesque is Triple H's given name, not Austins. 2. By the standards guide of the WikiProject Professional wrestling its best to use the wrestlers real name, you'll notice that 90% of wrestlers on wikipedia have their real names at the top of the infobox. Graham Laycock 02:13, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Hall of Fame and WrestleMania

I quote the following passage, "It was just announced that Stone Cold Steve Austin will be inducting Bret Hart into the WWE Hall Of Fame on April 1st, 2006. The night before WWE Wrestlemania 22

WWE reported that Austin will return at Wrestlemania 22, to induct Bret "The Hitman" Hart into the Hall of Fame Ceremony. Also there are rumours circulating that Austin will be involved in the McMahon/Shawn Michaels feud. Also there there are rumours that Bret Hart will also be involved in the mcMahon/shawn Michaels feud.

an other rumour is that Dalip "Giant" Singh will make his WWE debut at Wrestlemania. WWE confirmed earlier that Dalip Singh signed a contract by WWE and will be on the Smackdown roster, to feud with the Undertaker.

Also was reported but not confirmed yet, that Jim Ross will be back at Wrestlemania in some form.

Confirmed Matches & Rumoured Matches

Kurt Angle vs Randy Orton vs Rey Mysterio Undertaker vs Mark Henry John Cena vs Triple H Kane vs Chris Masters The Boogeyman vs Booker T Bobby Lashley vs Finlay Cactus Jack vs Edge Money in the Bank Ladder Match (Rob van Dam, Shelton Benjamin, Ric Flair, others are not confirmed yet) Chris Benoit vs JBL Big Show vs Carlito

Hulk Hogan will induct Mean Gene Okerlund into the Hall of Fame.

There also is a rumour circulating that Stone Cold Steve Austin will respond to Hulk Hogan's invitation for having a match with him, last Wrestlemania."

Absolutely irrelevant, I have deleted this piece of, which is essentially, vandalism.

Trivia

Why was the trivia section removed again? The information in it seemed relevant to me.

He isn't comming back, hes not McMahons big surprise. His movie comes out in April so he will probably pull a stunt like Hogan does. Show up for a month, make another big name "lay down" for him at the next big PPV, and then he'll take off again. We are never goning to see Austin vs. Hogan, both of their ego's are too big and I guarentee the reason we never saw the match is because neither one would be willing to loose.

Here's a piece of trivia that should be added: Mark Yeaton, a former referee and ring crew member, is the individual who is so adept at throwing cold cans of beer to Stone Cold. Mark is now working in the operations side of the WWE and is a long time employee. http://www.jrsbarbq.com/blog/2007/11/16/bar-b-qed-feedback-frenzy-gift-buckets-are-rocking-jr%e2%80%99s-nuts-are-a-peanut-lovers-delight-ricky-bobby-lawler-jr-rumor-addressed-football-talk/

Personal Life?

Why isn't Steve's personal life on his page? I mean he has had three marriages and two children from his second marriage. I think they should be on here.

Feel free to update things yourself. 69.137.234.44 21:51, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

The match between Owen Hart and Austin at Summerslam 1997 was not a "kiss my ass match" but instead a regular one on one contest

Austin said that if he lost the match, he'd kiss Hart's ass. That was why they did the rollup finish instead of just having Hart pin Austin.

I thought they did that finish because Austin could barely stand after Owen 'tombstoned' him.(Halbared 08:48, 7 June 2006 (UTC))

Re: They did. It was a rushed finish because Austin was legitimately injured.

How about adding something about throwing the first pitch out at a ball game, and then getting booed off the mound when he didn't even come close. Sorry, wierd log-in things going on right now.

Clean up tag

I tagged the article for clean up. At 60KB, it's too large. The details should be summarized and a more clear distinction between fact and fiction needs to be made. The fact/fiction blur is most evident when the articles goes from his storyline feud with Bret Hart to his real-life neck injury accident at the hands of Owen Hart. --Jtalledo (talk) 22:27, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Birthplace

In his book The Stone Cold Truth he says he was born in Austin Texas not Victoria Texas

Original research

I tagged the article with the Original research due to the fact that some parts of the article has POV parts (political maneuverings and the like). I have Stone Cold's autobiography, but I don't have it with me right now. Can someone check it over? Duo02 *Shout here!** 16:35, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Personal Section and Photos Cleanup

I added 4 photos to the profile. Austin stunnering McMahon at WWE Homecoming, What? DVD and Stone Cold Truth Book. Also Steve Williams mugshot. I also changed all "Austin" references to "Williams" in the personal section because this is is real name and Steve Williams got arrested not Austin.

I got rid of a few photos because they served no purpose. I also changed the infobox picture to the one I originally put there.

--Mikedk9109 16:25, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

And I changed the name back to Austin, since that is the name he is known under/as. Using Williams, as a 'private life' name, would be similar to using an actors real name, and not his/her stage name, something that would be rather unlikely. (not to mention VERY laborious, if it was don on Wikipedia, but that's another matter).

--DannyBoy2k

That front picture on his profile needs removed or censored its offensive. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.2.223.111 (talk • contribs)

WP:CENSOR#Wikipedia_is_not_censored. Also, Finger (gesture). --Antoshi~! ^{T | C} 02:03, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Video/DVD

Removed "Stone Cold (3 disc) (2006)" No entry on IMDB or WWESHOP.COM for this title. If someone can show a citation for it, feel free to add back in --Roninbk 07:13, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

The DVD is planned for November 2007 and it's called Stone Cold Steve Austin's Life and Legcay. --  Mikedk9109  (talk)  21:20, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

That title has apparently changed to "The Legacy of Stone Cold Steve Austin" and is on sale through WWEShop.com and all commercial retailers, therefore citing the correction to the title given by Mikedk9109. Scca8704 (talk) 00:19, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

The replay rule match

Where's the mention of Austin winning the rumble, then having to fight again due to Gorilla monsoon enforcing "the replay rule"?

Add it. Qubeh 13:40, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

When was he forced to replay his Royal Rumble win? In 1997 (his first win) there was no replay. There was a "Final Four" match at February's PPV that year, but no "replay" at the Rumble event. As for his other wins, they were clean, so involved no need for a replay of the match.--HDC7777 14:06, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Article Name Doesn't Make Sense

His basic ring name is Steve Austin. "Stone Cold" is merely a nickname used exclusively in the WWE. Yet, I was looking through the WCW alumini category and saw the full name as Stone Cold Steve Austin, which makes no sense. My point is, this article's name needs fixing. A lot of wrestlers have the same name as other famous people; all you need to do is have it Steve Austin (wrestler). I don't see any reason not to. Cale 00:24, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

He is much more widely recognized as Stone Cold than he is as Steve Austin. RealFerrari 22:17, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Actually, I agree with Cale here. Steve Austin (wrestler) sounds more appropriate. --Jtalledo (talk) 02:52, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Even more accurately, It should be Steve Williams (wrestler) as per his real name. As a matter of fact, there already is a Steve Williams (wrestler) category. Steve Austin was just a psuedonym as per the character of "Stone Cold" in the WWE (then WWF) promotion. So while we are on the topic, perhaps we should even discuss the merger of the two topics? --Hassan Bellinger 19:38, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Merging what topics? Did you even look at the Steve Williams article? (Hint, the name Austin was chosen because there already was a Williams in the wrestling business)

↪Lakes (Talk) 20:28, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

It should stay as Stone Cold Steve Austin. He isn't called just Steve Austin when he comes to the ring, he is called Stone Cold Steve Austin. --  Mikedk9109  (talk)  19:43, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

The name Austin was also chosen because it was Stone Cold's hometown. --  Mikedk9109  (talk)  20:50, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Of course he was called "Stone Cold Steve Austin" when he entered the ring, just like "Macho Man Randy Savage," "Rowdy Roddy Piper," "The Nature Boy Ric Flair," and countless others. But so far, I haven't seen a single wrestler's article that's actually named after not simply the wrestler's ringname but their ring nickname. This article title has two different names in it, and that just doesn't seem very sensible. If it was to stay this way, I'd probably at least have quotation marks around "Stone Cold." Cale 22:07, 28 November 2006 (UTC) Well then put quotation marks around it you lazy toerag, and incase you havent noticed, when Austin wrestles, they usually refer to him as Stone Cold.150.101.75.67 10:26, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Just a thought wasnt Austin called "Stunning" Steve Austin in WCW, "Superstar" Steve Austin in ECW and he only adopted the Stone Cold persona in the WWE, so techniqually the WCW alumni should state that "Stunning" Steve Austin was part of the promotion. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by The Legendary One (talk • contribs) 23:51, 2 January 2007 (UTC).

Steve Austins name nick name Stone Cold Steve Austin isn't a nick name exactly. The nature Boy Ric Flair isn't always reffered to as the Nature Boy only recently has everyone called him it all the time. In WCW Ric Flairs name was Ric Flair with only some calling him the nature boy (the same was with his earlier run in WWF, and when he owned RAW) Austin has allways been introduced as stone cold steve austin, in wrestling, interviews outside wrestling,in his movie and in other shows e.g. PUNK'D. Stone Cold is called stone cold as it is his wrestling name. on the wwe/wwf roster it has said stone cold steve austin while (taking the examples above) ric flair was not put as the nature boy ric flair it was just a nickname which developed. Finally when each enters the ring, though the announcer calls each their name/nick name, the onscreen name box has only Ric Flair in it for Ric Flair but STONE COLD STEVE AUSTIN in austins one. thanx for listening

The picture

I believe that the photo is inappropriate. 67.188.172.165 01:27, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

waa-waa-waa!!!! - Crispen Raw - poof 81.110.1.43 16:24, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, its free use, and remember wikipedia is not censored. --  Mikedk9109  (talk)  17:53, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

If I had to include a better picture I choose either: this one [[1]] or this one [[2]] -- Nathen

Remember Nathen that the picture has to be public domain, and those two pictures arent so it's all well and good saying you'd use them but you cant -- unsigned

I understand wikipedia is not censored however my two cents is that I feel a better, more appropriate picture could be sourced. I agree with 67.188.172.165, however would like to wait for more commentary before a switch is made. Anyone have thoughts to add? -- ViaBest 15:52, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

I vote for a different photo. Even though wiki is uncensored, it should carry appropriate photographs for use in an encyclopedic resource. I believe we can find a more appropriate photo. Naysie 14:29, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Then find a different picture, until then the current one is fine. TJ Spyke 07:20, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Well I've found a few alternative public domain photos that could be used. I don't think they're good as the current one (which to be honest I'm fine with), but I'll list them anyway and let you decide. Photo 1, Photo 2, and if you're really desperate Photo 3. ;) -- Oakster  Talk  10:13, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

I think it's appropriate for the Stone Cold persona, which Steve Williams is famous for. [[[User:Kjhstuph|Kjhstuph]] 07:22, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

The picture is not appropriate. It has nothing to do with censorship, this is plain rudeness. I can see Wikipedia getting sued for distributing this kind of content as "knowledge". It is insulting and is not in any way related to this american wresting pseudo-sport.

Do you watch wrestling? All his character does is flip people off. If you're so offended by it, find him, take a better picture of him, and then we'll change it. Bmg916^Speak_Sign 16:00, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

To all who are offended by the "flipping off" photo:

Go to the Rage Against the Machine page and see if this picture is still the one that gets you most riled up.--BrettxPW (talk) 19:54, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

movelist

Whatever idiot took out Austin's move list, change it back. Damn vandals.

His Ref position at WrestleMania 23...

It's stated on TV that he will be, so it's hardly speculation, why not keep it? Qubeh 14:18, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Because things change, and it hasn't happened yet. Until then its pure speculation. On top of that every little thing that Austin does doesn't belong on the page. This is not a week by week assessment its and encyclopedia. Thefro552 17:06, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

I understand that, but you have to look at what they've thrown at us already. Things hardly change when it comes to the business we're talking about. Again, it's stated on TV that he will be, and yes, it's an Encyclopedia, and I think something as important as that should be added. (added) Qubeh 23:49, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

I don't mean to sound rude but what you think is irrelevant. It doesn't matter what could happen, what should happen, or what probably will happen. Its all speculation until it happens. Yes I agree that Stone Cold will make his appearance, but my opinion doesn't matter. Wikipedia has rules for a reason. And in the future please remember to sign you posts. Thefro552 04:28, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

I see. What about things that are announced, or that happen on TV? Qubeh 23:49, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

No on both counts. Things such as new feuds or injuries are notable enough to be entered. This is not a week by week reference page. Every match or event doesn't belong. Further information is provided by the external links. Thefro552 03:45, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

How can the section following "Steve Austin made his first appearance on WWE TV in a year on April 3, 2005 at WrestleMania 21" be notable, yet a section that would talk about his first appearance on WWE television since March 2006 not be notable? The aforementioned section only talks about his interview at WM21. Seems to me if that is important enough, so should his recent return and announcement to referee the hair match at WM23. 76.16.131.39 07:09, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Is someone going to add the fact that he's definitely the special guest referee for the WM 23 Hair vs Hair match? It's definitely on wwe.com. I'd add it, but I'm not sure how to cite a website.Maxwagner7 23:43, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes, it is confirmed, but it will not go here until after WrestleMania this year because we have to adhere to Wikipedia's professional wrestling project style guide, which says we should not include "announced matches that have not yet occurred" in articles. In fact, in most pro wrestling articles there are warnings which clearly state this and ignoring them could amount to vandalism. Bmg916 ^{Speak to Me} 00:06, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Regardless, he made the appearance on RAW, it's his first appearance in almost a year - the RAW appearance is a notable one for Austin. Be objective; you are squashing perfectly reasonable content. Doc502 18:17, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

The appearance on RAW is notable, hence why I'm leaving it in the way it's currently worded. I am being objective. I am adhering to official WP:PW policies and style guide, I am squashing nothing but edits that could be considered vandalism since they violate WP:PW policy, style guide, and the warnings to adhere to aforementioned policies and style guide are sitting right there in the article. Until after WrestleMania 23, nothing about it can be added to the article. Bmg916 ^{Speak to Me} 18:25, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

I think you are going to far to follow the guidelines in this case. It is a fact that Austin was announced as the guest referee. I can understand that - per the Wiki guidelines - you should not say "Austin will be the guest ref" because we don't know if that will be ultimately true (esp. given Austin's history of changing his mind), but we can absolutely say "Austin was announced as the guest ref." This idea of all the matches and stipulations for WM23 having been "announced" is certainly the reason that the Wrestlemania 23 page has been allowed to have any info on it whatsoever about the matches to come.

This guideline of not reporting the week-to-week milieu makes perfect sense, but in this case, it is notable not just for the promotion of The Condemned but also for this Wrestlemania announcement. Doc502 18:43, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

(DO NOT ADD WEEK BY WEEK EVENTS, RUMOURS OR SPECULATION. THIS INCLUDES ANNOUNCED MATCHES THAT HAVE NOT YET OCCURRED. WIKIPEDIA IS NOT A NEWS SITE BUT AN ONLINE ENCYCLOPEDIA. Please see the articles "Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not" and "Wikipedia:Guide to writing better articles" for more information. ) WrestleMania 23 is an announced match that has not yet occurred, I am taking nothing too far. After WrestleMania 23, all mentions of it will be added to the article. Bmg916 ^{Speak to Me} 18:48, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I've already read the guideline you posted, and I agree with it. But I'm not talking about reporting "what will happen at WM23"; I'm talking about reporting on a notable event that happened at RAW. Because of Austin's involvement and his past history with the WWE, the official naming of Austin as the guest ref is notable enough for inclusion. Think of it this way: either way - whether he shows up or not - he was still officially announced as the guest ref, and that fact will never change.

Think of it another way: Jay Leno has announced he will step down from hosting The Tonight Show in 2009. Steven Spielberg has announced that Indiana Jones 4 will go into production this summer. Apple has announced they've got a new operating system coming out soon. All of these are notable and official announcements, and while they refer to future events that may or may not ultimately happen, the "announcements" themselves are notable and have been reported as such right here on Wikipedia. Doc502 19:40, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Take it up at the WP:PW talk page,as notable as it is, it's not getting added until after WrestleMania because as the guideline states even matches that have been ANNOUNCED but not yet occurred do not go into articles, and that's what this is, an ANNOUNCED but not yet occurred event. Bmg916 ^{Speak to Me} 19:44, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Just posted over there, thanks! Doc502 20:12, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

No problem, I figured you'd be better served going over there since this is about the policy and what not. Cheers, Bmg916 ^{Speak to Me} 20:36, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

week by week events / editing of this page

One of the things i like about wikipedia is how much info it has on people, and the week by week events for wrestlers is good to look back on and read about what happened.

I don't think they take anything away from the article, i think they make it better.

Plus wikipedia is always updated for current events so why should this be any different? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Howard85 (talk • contribs) 19:24, 14 March 2007 (UTC).

This is not a dedicated wrestling website, it is an encyclopedia. Therefore it only includes the most notable parts of a persons career and/or life. Week by week events are not always notable, and make articles unnecessarily long and eventually hard to edit. Bmg916 ^{Speak to Me} 19:29, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Kayfabe concern

I've been reading through quite a few articles on professional wrestlers in the last couple days, and just wanted to comment that this article on Stone Cold Steve Austin seems different than the others in the sense that it's not readily distinguishing "storylines" from "unstaged" events in his career. There are some instances, such as the incident with Owen Hart, but a large portion of it isn't as understandable as other articles of the same nature. Other articles, for example, use (kayfabe) when describing storyline events.

I'm not able to 'fix' this myself, since I have limited knowledge on the subject. To simplify: Imagine readers thinking "I know the neck injury actually happened in his real life, but what about getting run down by a car? Was that unplanned or an arc?" etc. Is anyone interested in elaborating on this in the article itself? I think it would make it more accessible and less confusing for the general reader. *Vendetta* _{(whois talk edits)} 18:12, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

It's a widespread problem with wrestling articles that nobody at the special interest group connected to wrestling articles wants to address. By and large wrestling bios are 1) very very badly sourced 2) confusing the fiction of the character someone plays in the ring with the real world and 3) try to give a blow by blow account of the last time someone went to the bathroom. --Fredrick day 07:46, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

unsourced

This article is largely unsourced - In one week I will be removing all unsourced statements - at the present moment, this will reduce the article to a stub. --Fredrick day 08:06, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Yea right...? If you *actually* have the balls, you have to be unbias about your pillaging and do it to almost all the Pro Wrestling articles. I'll be observing the results. :P Mythiran 18:07, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

I'll try it - but I know I'm not going to get far - the fans involved with the special interest group wikiproject will never allow it, but hey someone has at least try and bring those articles in line with policy. --Fredrick day 17:55, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

And I notice it's been nine days rather than a week - I'm off to the pub but tomorrow I will remove unsourced statements. --Fredrick day 17:56, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Done - let's see if it holds for longer than 30 seconds. --Fredrick day 00:22, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

I cant argue the reasons for its doing but I still dont believe in wholesale page blanking. Even what you left is completly out of context. It makes the page look terrible. If I remember right isnt there a wiki rule that if it makes the page better then forget the rules. I dont quite know it for sure, if you someone could provide a link it would be appreciated for future reference. Thefro552 01:26, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

You might be thinking of WP:IAR which is not a get out of free card to have long detailed articles about real people with virtually no sourcing. Citing IAR as the basis for all your actions would soon attract the attention of others and not in a good way. --Fredrick day 09:36, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

I disagree with your methods here. First, you ride in and make the statement that in one week you will remove all unsourced statements. Shouldn't you be working with people instead of working above them? As I read your statement, you are looking down and telling people to fix it or lose it, which isn't the case that anyone should use on Wikipedia. If you want to make a good example of a wrestling article to set a precedent and then use it to maybe change others, why not source it yourself? Someone has to try and put them in line with policy, all right, but you took a negative approach. You set a deadline and made no attempt to fix it yourself, opting to take a managerial position and wait for it to be done.

If you want to set a good example, try doing it with a community-involved and positive effort, not this. This is just ridiculous. If any of my statements are incorrect factually, I retract them, but I'm just calling it like I see it here. Goofyman 04:19, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

So easy to remove info rather than source it. There are many references at the bottom of the article and this has been acceptable for long before inline citations became so common. Citing "undue weight" I've reduced the personal life details. This article is now an embarrassment. violet/riga (t) 09:22, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Well if someone wants to revert it - feel free. I left notice for ten days of what I was going to do - strangely not a single person jumped in to say anything. Why not source it yourself? why not source it when you add the information.

By and large the wrestling section of wikipedia is pretty shameful, the sourcing is terrible, fiction is mixed up with real-life events etc etc. This is not a new revelation, this has been discussed before many many times. How much more about we going to talk about how fundementally weak those articles are and how out of step they are with basic policy? If someone wants to revert in material, I'm not going to stop them. --Fredrick day 09:35, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

I wasn't involved with the production of this article, and wasn't around in the ten days. In fact, I can only recall looking at this page once before this major edit. Let me ask, did you look through the sources given at the bottom of the page to try and verify that the information in the article was present in them? If the information is there, then why would it be unacceptable? You removed a majority of the text on his career and made this page essentially useless. The old page listed http://wwe.com/superstars/raw/stonecold, which used to go to his page (the link is now http://www.wwe.com/superstars/raw/stonecold/bio/), as an external link, but I believe that pushing that up to a reference would give the old page a lot of credibility. The page goes over a lot of his biography, and if that isn't sufficient, SLAM! Sports has an article as well, http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Wrestling/Bios/austin.html, which holds a lot of information. Now, I'm not really proficient with Wikipedia in terms of its policies in using those websites as sources (legality and whatnot), but it seems like they can help put this page back to where it should be. If this isn't enough, his book could be used as well.

It just seems unjust to come in, delete, and walk away to leave it for others to clean. If you wanted to have people work to try and clean this up, perhaps leaving immediately afterwards wasn't the best idea. If you don't have time to contribute and make this article right to "current" standards, with citations right where they should be like a research report, then I don't think the best course of action is to delete it outright and make no long-term effort at fixing it. Are the articles I gave here legal to be used? If so, I think they should be used to help revitalize this page, an effort that I will include myself in trying to help. Goofyman 20:20, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Just letting you know, when you blanked the article, you deleted sourced information. I added it back. Nikki311 18:17, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Well, looks like the whole thing has been restored pretty much as it was. Primarily by a guy called Appendophobia (Mythiran 11:23, 2 July 2007 (UTC))

If websites like the WWE profile and such can be used as references, I say that most of the information, if not all, is confirmed under it. Can they be? Goofyman 19:15, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

I think the problem would be that they are within narrative context. So it's like referencing Tolkien that there exists a powerful ring which makes people invisable. It needs to be made clear that most of the "events" stated are staged, scripted, story-line.

OTHERWISE.... it should be ACCEPTED on OTHER wiki pages (such as the "Flying Spaghetti Monster") that some people follow the religion NOT as Satire... and so on. The question is whether we're going by "weight of the masses" or by what is deductivly likely to be the most true. (Mythiran 09:49, 3 July 2007 (UTC))

Real Name Steve Austin?

His wife just said on FOX News program Hannity & Colmes that he legally changed his name to Steve Austin Koberulz 04:51, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Yes, Debra did say this. Maybe it should be changed.

needs more work

this article doesnt have his title reigns.. could mention his days at ecw, wcw etc all it does it promote the austin 3:16 days and a bit about his personal life.. its practally a stub. here is my list of what could be added

1. titles 2. ecw, wcw wwf/e days 3. ringmaster to 3:16 4. austin vs mcmahon 5. austin in popular cluture like Dilbert and Celebrity Deathmatch and a mention on the simpsons in ei-ei-d'oh 6. where the name "stone cold" came from

all of these should have sources and could be verified.

82.24.175.199 23:21, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

3:16

What does this mean? Seth103

"You sit there and you thump your Bible, and you say your prayers, and it didn't get you anywhere! Talk about your Psalms, talk about John 3:16... Austin 3:16 says I just whipped your ass!" It's all on this page!!! So learn to read. - J@ro_Link

Move

This page needs moving. Steve Austin is now not only his real name but also his ring name in every major promotion he has wrestled for. Stone Cold is not. Stone Cold is solely in the WWF/E. In WCW he was 'stunning', whereas ECW 'Superstar'. All of these have equal merit and therefore one should not be solely in the page name, and it would be a bit silly to have all three. Therefore I think Steve Austin (wrestler) would be the best name for this page.George bennett 13:19, 12 August 2007 (UTC) I totally and utterly agree. Stone Cold is stupid. It may be a nickname that is widely used with him but Steve Austin is the actual name, as mentioned above. Therefore, unless there are any objections within the next day or so I shall move the page to the suggested 'Steve Austin (wrestler)'.Cheesecake92 13:22, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Disambs suck! They should be avoided at all costs. Besides, even if it wasn't used in every promotion, it's still his most well known name. Mshake3 13:54, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Right, lets start a consensus. Move or keep. —Preceding unsigned comment added by George bennett (talk • contribs) 13:59, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

• Keep - Disambs suck! They should be avoided at all costs. Mshake3 14:32, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
• Keep - It's common practice to use a wrestler's most common nickname in their page title, and "Stunning" and "Superstar" do not nearly have the same merit as Stone Cold. People constantly refer to Austin on air as "Stone Cold," not "Superstar," or "Stunning," and he has also used the name "Stone Cold" in his media appearances and in The Condemned. In addition, Paul Levesque's page isn't titled Hunter Hearst Helmsley, even though he used it for a while. Likewise, the Rock's title page isn't Rocky Maivia, and Hulk Hogan's page isn't titled Hollywood Hogan, even though they both used those nicknames for years. It is established practice that we use a wreslter's most well known nickname, not obscure ones that they used while they were midcarders lacking any fame at all. (Sawyer 08:01, 2 September 2007 (UTC))

I didn't say to move the page to stunning or superstar, I said to Steve Austin (wrestler) as not only is Steve Austin now his real name (giving the page more notablitly for his personal life and other parts of his life outside of wrestling) but because Steve Austin is his official ring name, Stone Cold is just like 'The Rated R Superstar' or 'The Nature Boy', which aren't on other wrestler's pages titles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by George bennett (talk • contribs) 11:02, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Yip couldn't agree more. Should be moved. --Davidbhoy2805 (talk) 05:00, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Who taught him the stunner. Not Michael Hayes? Mistake here..

It says: " Austin was taught his most ruthless move in wrestling history, the Stone Cold Stunner, which was taught to him by Michael Hayes."

But on Michael Hayes wikipedia it clearly says: "A common misconception is that Hayes invented the "Stone Cold Stunner" for Stone Cold Steve Austin. The move (originally called the Ace Crusher) was invented by WWE road agent/Director of Talent Relations Johnny Ace. However, Hayes did show Austin how to perform the move with someone else to demonstrate, as Austin detailed in his book, The Stone Cold Truth."

I think we have a problem here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.154.187.204 (talk) 01:38, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Try re-reading the statements. The first says that Hayes taught him the move. The second states that Hayes didn't invent the move, but DID teach it to Austin with the help of another. I see no problem. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.151.54.103 (talk) 02:53, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

True, My mistake.

Citation for Breat Hart HOF induction

Who the FUCK asked for citation for Austin inducting Bret Hard into the 2006 Hall of Fame? It's common knowledge! Anyone who's been keeping up with wrestling AT ALL knows that! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dstebbins (talk • contribs) 22:04, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Please be respectful. First, "everyone who keeps up with wrestling" are not the only people reading this and other wrestling articles. Second, "common knowledge" is a relative phrase. What is common knowledge to wrestling fans is not necessarily common knowledge to the rest of the world. Third, for some reason, possibly due to the stigma attached to "sports entertainment", pro wrestling articles seem to be held to a higher level (in terms of use) of citations/sourcing than are other articles on Wikipedia. Fourth, someone other than a wrestling fan who may be reading this article and using it as a reference for something he or she is writing, would want to know where we got our informations so they could fact check and cite their own work correctly. Regardless, this reference should be easy to find in the archives on wwe.com. Cheers, --Naha|^(talk) 22:14, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

11-5-2007

I just edited the article on the last section 2006-2007 feel free to add/remove anything if neccessary Urena198 03:15, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Personally, I think the article should include the fact that Santino taunted Austin personally by impersonating him on Raw on October 29 and "admitting" that what Santino had been saying for weeks about The Condemned was true. Also, Austin corrected Marella's misquotes: "can of the ass-whip," "stomping a mudpie," and "That's the bottom lines." I would do it, but I can't edit the page. Megazero47 04:46, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

That would be too much cruft and would take up necessary room in the article. Remember that WP:PW tries to avoid week-by-week cruft or play-by-play notes. Also the fact that you consider the things Santino said about The Condemned to be true is POV, which cannot be added to the article as it violates WP:POV. The only thing that should be added is a small note summarizing the segment as a whole, which is already present in the article. -- bulletproof ^3:16 05:06, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

The Condenmed (Or however you spell it)

With reference to Austin's acting career, it mention that his movie The Condemned didn't become finacialy succesfull. Just wondering if this should be changed to reflect that, while it failed on theatre release, it has raised roughly 28 million dollars on DVD rentals in the US. I can't specify a source for this figure, but the, movies own entry on Wikipedia states:

"The DVD opened up at number two in the charts, grossing $4.3 million on its opening week."

Maybe it could be alterd to show at least that comment, because I think 4.3 million in a first week ain't a flop, at least in my book.

Just an idea. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.106.125.238 (talk) 16:51, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Have just found a link citing the 21 Million dollars the DVD rentals has sourced, to back up my previous statement.

http://wrestlinginc.com/news/2007/124/chris_jericho_309841.shtml —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.106.30.19 (talk) 14:51, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Grudge against Owen Hart

Austin mentions in his biography that he didn't hate Owen but they were never really friends to begin with. He also says he was annoyed that Owen didn't call him much when he was injured. He said he never wanted to work with Owen again.

Humanracer (talk) 21:46, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Face turn in Canada

The article should mention that after the Surivor Series 97 match with Owen, Austin recieved a standing ovation thus ending the USA vs Canada feud and establishing Austin as the main face of the company.

Humanracer (talk) 21:47, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Did he change his name?

Is there any reason someone keeps changing his name back to Steven James Williams? This very article states that he has changed his name legally to Steve Austin. -- Kevin Browning (talk) 08:54, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

The sentences that assert he changed his name were "sourced" to an item on The Smoking Gun that referred to him as Steve Williams. It may be that he changed his name, but that's not asserted anywhere in our sources. Without sourcing, we have no basis to make the claim and must continue to revert it. Croctotheface 09:26, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I should have checked the source. Regardless, the sources that were given for his alleged current name and birth date were removed, so I replaced them. His birth name of Anderson remains unsourced. Considering this is the current wrestling project of the week, whoever put that information should really cite it. The article is back to having no sources for the most basic information on him. -- Kevin Browning (talk) 00:54, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Here is an recent article that states that Stone Cold has legally changed his name.

Steve Austin Changes His Name, Styles Bashes JBL, More

Is this a vaild source? Tombell12 (talk) 10:54, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

No. Most wrestling-related news websites really shouldn't be used for essential info in biographies of living persons. A legitimate news source would be much preferred. Nikki311 22:02, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

ENTRANCE THEMES

surely all is entrance theme should be listed? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.46.141.127 (talk) 04:38, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

not officially employed

stone cold is not part of the wwe roster but he makes appearences. Hes not part of it becuase he does not like the way the script writers make win and lose.--74.92.207.153 (talk) 17:44, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Got a source for saying that? There are sources saying that he is contracted to WWE for WWE Films projects (reasons he makes appearances). He is employed, just not a part of the active roster. — Save_Us † 19:26, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Early Years

I went to high school with "Stone Cold" Steve Austin (who was then Steve Williams). He lived and went to school in EDNA Texas, a small town approx 30 minutes from Victoria Texas. Edna is in no way considered the same as, or even a suburb of, Victoria. Mr.Williams(aka Austin) graduated in 1983 from Edna High School (look him up in the 1983 EHS yearbook for verification). I graduated a year later, in the same class as his younger brother Kevin. Anyway, just wanted to point out that Mr.Williams' informative years were not spent in Victoria, but in Edna, where he did indeed excell in sports (esp. football & track) and was voted most popular.

c_16

75.161.116.81 (talk) 22:06, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia doesn't care if you knew, played with, or slept with Steve Austin. There has to be a source. Or maybe this is vandalism.SimonKSK (talk) 23:24, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism?! I was simply sharing information! And I can't imagine why you would mention 'sleeping with' the subject, as it is inappropriate, unprofessional and completely irrelevent! It is that type of ridiculous comment that keeps others from contribting. c_16 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.161.96.63 (talk) 19:32, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

I do believe Kevin has been mentioned on the WWE RAW 15th or 20th Anniversary DVD set. Or maybe it was on TV....well, it showed Stone Cold after the show went off the air conversing with the fans and he pointed his brother out in the front row, named Kevin. I'm gonna look this up as this is obviously not vandalism >.>. 67.68.39.242 (talk) 01:34, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Entrance Themes cont.

I don't know the names of most of his themes, but the one theme he used during the Invasion angle when he returned during the huge brawl was Glass Shatters by Disturbed. 67.68.39.242 (talk) 01:34, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Hey, all I can help you there with is that he currently does not use Glass Shatters whenever he makes an occasional appearance in WWE. He uses I Won't Do What You Tell Me. I have already made the change on his page.Scca8704 (talk) 12:56, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

New Film Started

Austin is doing a new film called "Damage". Filming will start on October 17th, and the movie will be directed by Jeff King and is scripted by Frank Hannah. Can we add this to his 'Films' section? And if we do, we should emphasize the fact that this is NOT WWE Films related. It's his first.

Source - pwinsider.com

• Stone Cold Steve Austin will begin production on a new film titled "Damage" on October 17th. The film's plot will revolve around an underground fighting community and Austin will be playing the principal male role of John Brickner. It should be noted that this is NOT a WWE Films project, so depending on marketing strategies could have the potential to do much better than "The Condemned." The film will be shot in Vancouver and will be directed by Jeff King with a script by Frank Hannah. Ladder4321 (talk) 04:18, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Unsourced info

"He is presumed to play a role up to Wrestlemania XXV" Does anyone else think that this statment warrants deletion? There is no source for this and I think it should go, unless a source can be found. CMPunkster (talk) 20:04, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

eres como yo sone cool manuel miguez un caborn muy educado —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.9.153.184 (talk) 12:26, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

ROBERT LEE DONALD TENNYSON

HELLO MY NAME IS ROBERT TENNYSON I AM 27 YEARS OLD IAM RETIRED FROM FCW{ FLORIDA CHAMPIONSHIP WRESTLING. I HANG AROUND WITH JOHN CENA.I AM A FCW CHAMPION —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.218.117.114 (talk) 18:01, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Ok, so your point is? If your retired how are you still the FCW champion. Plus, this is the Talk page of Stone Cold Steve Austin, this is not for general discussion, but only to matters facing this article/Stone Cold Steve Austin. HairyPerry 18:08, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

HEY STONE COLD WHAT HAVE U BEEN UP TO.I KNOW YOUR A LEGEN U ARE THE THAT MADE ME WANT TO DO WRESELING. U KNOW RANDY ORTAN HAS BEEN TALKING CRAP ABOUT U. U SHOULD STUNER RANDY ORTAN —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.236.80.13 (talk) 16:46, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Block quote

HEY STONE COLD WHAT HAVE U BEEN UP TO.I KNOW YOUR A LEGEN U ARE THE THAT MADE ME WANT TO DO WRESELING. U KNOW RANDY ORTAN HAS BEEN TALKING CRAP ABOUT U. U SHOULD STUNER RANDY ORTAN

WRITE ME BACK. NIKOLAS RODRIGUEZ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.236.80.13 (talk) 16:49, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Dude...stop! This isn't a general discussion thread. Also I'm quite sure that Stone Cold Steve Austin doesn't read this page looking for old friends or people he has never met to tell him to write back, if he reads it at all. So just stop.

--Davidbhoy2805 (talk) 04:49, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Quite using caps its considered shouting SuperSilver901 23:18, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Possible return to the ring?

I know that this isn't a reliable source but I was wondering if maybe a better source could be found:

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At the bottom of the page it says that he wants "a last hurrah" --Davidbhoy2805 (talk) 04:56, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Actually, the Sun works pretty close with the WWE when they come over to europe; Maybe close enough to the point that it could be considered reliable. But considering how it says those keywords like "rumored" and "considering" it's not really worth mentioning yet. If it said something like "Stone Cold has announced that he will compete in one more match at WrestleMania", then that would be worth noting. Let's just wait and see how things play out for the next few weeks... KP McZiggy ^{(they talk 2 me)} 20:24, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

stone cold steav austin

whats up man you know randy ortan been talking crap about you but if your stunner him bring a chair becase cody roads and ted debeasity. i hope you saw the last raw becase shane mecman came and bet up randy ortan and his crew with THE UNDERTAKER. i hope you write me back!

stone cold steav austin

whats up man you know randy ortan been talking crap about you but if your stunner him bring a chair becase cody roads and ted debeasity. i hope you saw the last raw becase shane mecman came and bet up randy ortan and his crew with THE UNDERTAKER. i hope you write me back! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.236.80.13 (talk) 14:18, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

I am not a moderator nor administrator or any of the sort but I must say this. This is not a forum and no one even cares what you think about what you just said. And if you were to edit, your spelling will just corrupt/disrupt everything in the main Stone Cold Steve Austin article/page. Plus... Stone Cold does not even have an account in Wikipedia so he cannot write back to you, which goes the same with Randy Orton, Cody Rhodes & Ted Biase. They are busy with their lives & careers and have no time to write back to you. So I suggest you make yourself useful by doing constructive edits to whichever Wikipedia articles you are interested in constructing. Darkness Wolf (talk) 16:48, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Reflect that this is fictional?

Shouldn't the wikipedia article reflect that much of the McMahon dispute, etc. are fictional? Whether or not the matches are real -- much of the "drama" is part of the show. This article makes it sound like Vince McMahon and Steve Austin had some sort of real conflict going. This doesn't seem like an NPOV. Is there a way to express that this is all a part of the WWE/WWF universe and these are not actual events. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.238.176.254 (talk) 15:30, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Wow... I really would just love to make fun of your ignorance to the max. I won't, because I'm nice now, but really... QUOTE: "This artcile makes it sound like Vince McMahon and Steve Austin had some sort of real conflict going on." Haven't you ever heard of backstage politics? It's called Steve Austin didn't want to do things the way Vince wanted him to, and he quit. For real. REALLY REAL. Don't talk about wrestling if you don't know the first thing about it. KP McZiggy ^{(they talk 2 me)} 20:19, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Rather than talking about the minor incident where they disagreed over booking near the end of Austin's tenure, I'm pretty sure the guy meant the three year storyline feud with Mr McMahon. You know the thing he's most famous for? And he's right, it should be explained to be a fiction as Wikipedia should be written Out Of Universe. And Wikipedia discussions should be more civil, especially towards someone trying to improve the article rather than massage their own ego about knowing that there is such a thing as backstage politics. Tony2Times (talk) 18:03, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Stone Colds New Movie

Just the second sentence of his entry is off. His new movie project now stars 50 cent instead of Forest Whitaker. It just keeps getting better. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Neoedgeus (talk • contribs) 05:28, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Stone cold is drunk (Steve Austin theory)

Hello im Ladybird 64 and I am a conspiracy theorist ever wondered why Steve Austin is so mean rough and beats up everyone in his path? well my theory is that Steve Austin drinks alcoholic drinks and has mental attacks on people what do you think? comment down ill check your comments on July 18th byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee 2601:182:1:6CC0:B149:26A8:2A0E:A55 (talk) 02:27, 24 March 2022 (UTC)