Talk:Steven Rubenstein

date of death

Can I ask for the source for this to be given? I see from the history that someone added one date and then somebody else changed it to the current date which makes me concerned about accuracy and sourcing. I note that the university sources don't give a date. Perhaps the date is given somewhere like Facebook that I can't see or in a private email, but it would be good to clarify, at least here, where March 4th came from, and if we aren't sure, remove it for now. Good work on the article, BTW!!! --Slp1 (talk) 13:21, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

I think nobody knows the precise date, but I was told by a friend that he was missing from work since the 4th.·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 15:27, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. If that's the only source for the date that we have, then I strongly think we need to remove the date for now. He could have died any time over the weekend surely? It's also a bit funny as March 4th was a Sunday so surely he wouldn't be expected at work that day anyway. "March 2012" (as the other sources have it) is fine and better until something more official comes up. --Slp1 (talk) 15:37, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

I don't mind either way, but before it said the 10th which was clearly wrong since that was two days after the fact was discovered.·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 16:23, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

Sounds good; it was certainly a good idea to remove that original error. --Slp1 (talk) 16:53, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

While we're on the subject, does anyone have the cause of death? It's not a huge deal, but most articles on dead people have one. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 05:05, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

I don't think so.·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 05:14, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

I agree that at present I don't think there is anything out there at present that we could use for the article. What I have seen (unreliable in WP terms but nevertheless reliable as a testimony) suggests it was likely due to natural causes, which is at least for me something of a comfort given the awfulness of other possible options. --Slp1 (talk) 22:41, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

details of funeral and memorial arrangements Obituary in New York Times. Neither give a date of death either. Elen of the Roads (talk) 16:59, 7 April 2012 (UTC) this obviously will not do as a source for the article, but it does explain why the two obits could not include a date/time or cause of death. There is probably no more to be said on this melancholy subject - better to remember his achievements and celebrate his life. Elen of the Roads (talk) 17:25, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Possible move?

So far as I can tell, maybe Steven L. Rubenstein might be a better name for this article. That seems to be a name he rather frequently used in his published work, and my recent search of NewsBank has shown that the most commonly mentioned "Steven Rubenstein" is a PR person who seems to perhaps be most recognized for working with David Letterman. That Steven Rubenstein also seems to be the head of a PR firm, and it seems likely he is notable as well, although I can't prove it based on what I've seen so far. John Carter (talk) 00:06, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Related articles

While I'm at it, it seems that Shuar people is a closely related article as well. I think we might be able to establish separate notability for Shuar shrunken heads based on the subject's work, although that is, admittedly, maybe a rather minor topic. I also see several reviews of the Alejandro Tsakimp book, which leads me to believe that the book, or, possibly, if he's mentioned outside the book, the individual might be notable as well. WorldCat lists several reviews of the book, and I think I might have access to some others as well, maybe. I can at least start on reading the content of the reviews, and maybe e-mail them at request if anyone wants them. John Carter (talk) 00:12, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

I read the review by David Stoll yesterday specifically noting that he gives details about Steve's work with Tsakimp and the Shuar that I thought were apt for inclusion in the article. i think the Shrunken heads and tsakimp are definitely notable enough to have articles.·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 00:44, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Possible trivia

In the article "Rivals with our passion for game," in the Daily Post (Liverpool), June 24, 2006, retrieved from NewsBank, Prof. Rubenstein is quoted regarding football (soccer), specifically football in Ecuador, and is said to be "keen to establish more links with the country and attract Ecuadorian students." Maybe trivia, but I thought it might be worth mentioning. John Carter (talk) 00:42, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia editor?

Maybe this is a stupid question, but should the article refer at some point to his being an editor here? I know that WP:RS and such have to apply, and it might not be so serious as to be given much weight as per WP:WEIGHT, but it might make some sense to include. John Carter (talk) 01:34, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Perhaps some source in the future will note it?·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 01:36, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

I'd have thought that Wikipedia can be a reliable source regarding who contributes to it - when the person concerned has made their identity clear, as in this case. Whether we should mention this in a biography is possibly more a question of weight? AndyTheGrump (talk) 01:41, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

If it was a minor and inconsequential amount of editing that someone did then I'd agree that it would be unnecessary per weight. But in this case I think it would be appropriate to mention it. ϢereSpielChequers 11:35, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

You don't need to cite the obvious. Bus stop (talk) 12:04, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

While I disagree that it is in any way "obvious" to the average reader that Rubenstein was a Wikipedia editor, I don't think mention of it is warranted due to the fact that there aren't any external sources noting him as having been an editor here. — FoxCE (talk • contribs) 12:21, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

I'm inclined to the opinion that this is not a valid argument. Wikipedia can be a source as to who its editors were. Did the Signpost ever write a piece on his death? It should have done if it didn't. That could be a source also - to his significance to wikipedia. After all, if a BLP subject was a major contributor to say Slingshot, an obit in said publication would be sufficient evidence as to his significance to that publication. --Elen of the Roads (talk) 20:02, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

Yes, see 2012-03-12. In general it is a good idea to avoid self-reference, but it would be overdoing it to require RS to point out the obvious. Johnuniq (talk) 23:03, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

• "One of Steve’s most anonymous yet extraordinary contributions was in his role as a dedicated Wikepedian, responsible for over 30,000 edits including corrections and contributions toward some of the most trafficked topics on anthropology-related pages. If you are missing Steve, I would like to suggest that you take some temporary refuge in his personal page at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Slrubenstein - it may help console the tremendous loss of his no longer forthcoming legendary epic emails and of all he would have written; it will also remind us of his incorrigible compassion for humanity and knowledge, his wit and his insistence on rigor and creativity." (Tipit´ı: Journal of the Society for the Anthropology of Lowland South America Volume 9, Issue 2 2012 Article 13)[1] 68.226.91.163 (talk) 04:09, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
  • Maunus, thanks for finding that source. Regards, Mathsci (talk) 06:04, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

Notability?

I know this is a personal and emotional subject for many editors here, but what basis of notability is used for this article? Is it WP:PROF? Is it WP:GNG? It doesn't seem entirely clear. StAnselm (talk) 22:52, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

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