Talk:Steven Berkoff

Comment

"Berkoff is hailed as the most prolific leader of alternative theatre across the globe." Citations? I know Berkoff is highly regarded, but is he really THE top man? Depends what you mean by alternative theatre maybe.

Fixed by removing the text. Smalljim 19:16, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Query

why does Berkman redirect here? 172.131.17.165 02:26, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

It only does as a "may refer to" link. Smalljim 19:16, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Links

Hi,

I have a site on Berkoff which contains a number of masters theses and articles on Berkoff (included on my site with permission from the authors). These include in-depth analyses of Berkoff's work, as well as an insightful (if difficult) interview with Berkoff. I would like to include links to (some of) these on the Wiki entry, as I think it will direct people to invaluable sources of information, cited in a number of university courses on literature. Can I include these links? None are written by me. I run the site (I also run the official Steven Berkoff site) but it is not-for-profit, aimed at raising awareness of Berkoff, and providing a source for scholarly research. I appreciate and will follow your advice.

Best wishes

Iain Iainfisher (talk) 00:42, 1 October 2008 (UTC)iainfisher

Sorry; but unofficial self-published websites and message boards are not acceptable as sources or as external links in Wikipedia, according to Wikipedia editing policies and guidelines: again: please see WP:V#Sources, WP:BLP#Sources, and WP:EL. These are official Wikipedia policies and guidelines. Readers of Wikipedia are, of course, free to do their own original research outside of Wikipedia, and your self-published sites and message boards are easily found via a Google search. But including them here is not within Wikipedia's policies and guidelines as an encyclopedia: see Wikipedia:Encyclopedia, as well as the above links re: WP:NOR, another core policy in Wikipedia. If you have authored an article or book on the subject(s) published by an authoritative publisher (publishing company or journal), not yourself, then you can cite those publications in a Wikipedia article. The official Website already links to you as a "contact", and people will find you that way; the listing of the official Website is bonafide. "Links" in Wikipedia articles are called "External links" (section heading): see WP:MOS for content of articles and WP:EL for guidelines for links that may be included. Self-published unofficial sites are not among them, as are not self-published blogs or message boards. As a new editor, you would benefit from consulting Wikipedia's various editing policies and guidelines, so that you do not waste your time adding links that have to be removed. See: WP:SPAM and WP:Advert, as well. Fansites are not permissible links if they are not also official websites of the actors, playwrights, or other celebrities/living persons. Being a contact person on an official website does not make your personal Website or message boards permissible external links or source references in Wikipedia. Please see the policy and guidelines linked in the talkpage header template above; espec. WP:NOR, WP:V, and WP:BLP. Thanks. --NYScholar (talk) 05:59, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Permissible sources and External links in Wikipedia articles

If iainfisher wants to link to third-party published sources that he has reprinted on his self-published Website, he needs to find the original sources and to give the full publication information in a proper source citation.

Articles reprinted on self-published Websites are not the same as the original sources, which are verifiable and citable with proper bibliographical information and, if Web resources, easily accessible with proper URLs provided. WP:BLP#Sources is very strict. Fansites and non-professional, unofficial self-published Website links are not permitted in biographies of living persons. Being a fan who has become a contact person for a subject's official Website is not the same as being a recognized published author/critic whose work is published by reliable book publishing companies and peer-reviewed journals. "Peer-review" means review by other specialists in a field (in this case dramatic literature and film and cultural studies). If one publishes an article in a peer-reviewed journal or a book on the subject, then one would cite that third-party publication. --NYScholar (talk) 06:06, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Also: Master's theses and Ph.D. theses/dissertations are not publications; they are unpublished theses. If one wants to cite them, there are appropriate ways to do so, with proper bibliographical format; for guidance, see The MLA Style Manual and/or other Style guides listed in Wikipedia: WP:MOS. (Such unpublished theses are not generally permissible as sources for articles (espec. about living persons) in Wikipedia.) I am sure that there are plenty of already published journal articles and books that list in their published bibliographies references to unpublished theses and dissertations. Wikipedia is not a substitute for academic research. It is just a starting point. Anyone can do his or her own additional research, using the third-party published sources and libraries for further resources. Self-published Websites are really not a substitute for such work. If anyone does, however, want to consult Iainfisher's website, they can find it easily enough via Google or other search engine. --NYScholar (talk) 06:11, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, I won't add them. Iainfisher (talk) 19:30, 1 October 2008 (UTC)iainfisher

Bibliography and filmography?

This article could use a properly-documented (WP:CITE, "well-sourced") section of "Bibliography" (list of works written by Berkoff: subsections: "Plays", etc.) and "Filmography" (lists of TV and Film roles) in reverse chronological or chronological order: see WP:MOS and other articles on playwrights and actors for models. --NYScholar (talk) 19:03, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Berk or Berks

He is listed as born 'Berk' in the introduction, but 'Berks' in the info. box. Which one?

Checked Who's Who: "Berk" is the typo. Thanks for spotting this. --Old Moonraker (talk) 05:56, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Berkoff in the Professionals

In episode 10, series 5 of The Professionals (A Man Called Quin), Berkoff plays KGB hitman, Krasnov.

No idea how to add that into Wikipedia itself, but hope that someone that reads this can add it.

221.220.176.243 (talk) 13:19, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

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Statement about name belief unsupported by the cited source

The article currently says

The family name was originally Berkowitz, but Steven's father anglicised it to Berks in order to aid the family's assimilation into British society. Steven (who had been known as Leslie growing up) later legally changed his surname to Berkoff, which he believed to be the original family name, and went by his middle name.

But actually, that cited source says

Steven Berkoff: Leslie Steven Berks (1937-), Eng. playwright, stage actor, director, of Russ. descent. "Steven was chistened Leslie, which he loathed almost as much as Berks. He switched to his middle name, adding 'Off' to his surname to preserve the ethnic ring without reverting to Berkovitch, which [his father] Albert had abbreviated to assimilate in the adopted country of his Russian forebears" [The Times, March 21, 2009].

Since there is no support in that source for the contention that Berkoff believed that to be the original name, I'm going to delete it. Please only add it back in if there's support from elsewhere (ideally a source predating the appearance of the claim in this article, so that it certainly wouldn't be circular sourcing, or otherwise something fairly direct). —Undomelin (talk) 12:57, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

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