Talk:Steep (video game)/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Lee Vilenski (talk · contribs) 17:39, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

Hello, I am planning on reviewing this article for GA Status, over the next couple of days. Thank you for nominating the article for GA status. I hope I will learn some new information, and that my feedback is helpful.

If nominators or editors could refrain from updating the particular section that I am updating until it is complete, I would appreciate it to remove a edit conflict. Please address concerns in the section that has been completed above (If I've raised concerns up to references, feel free to comment on things like the lede.)

I generally provide an overview of things I read through the article on a first glance. Then do a thorough sweep of the article after the feedback is addressed. After this, I will present the pass/failure. I will use strikethrough tags when concerns are met. Even if something is obvious why my concern is met, please leave a message as courtesy.

Best of luck! you can also use the {{done}} tag to state when something is addressed. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:18, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

Please let me know after the review is done, if you were happy with the review! Obviously this is regarding the article's quality, however, I want to be happy and civil to all, so let me know if I have done a good job, regardless of the article's outcome.

• First of all, thank you for reviewing the article! I am currently a bit busy but I will try to look into your suggestions as fast as possible.--DasallmächtigeJ (talk) 19:42, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
  • No worries. I'm. Still working on the review, but it'll most likely be Monday before I can go through the whole article. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 20:28, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

Immediate Failures

• It is a long way from meeting any one of the six good article criteria -Y Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 17:40, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
• It contains copyright infringements - CopyVio check comes up a little worrying. Needs further checks N Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 17:41, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
• It has, or needs, cleanup banners that are unquestionably still valid. These include{{cleanup}}, {{POV}}, {{unreferenced}} or large numbers of {{citation needed}}, {{clarify}}, or similar tags. (See also {{QF-tags}}). - Y Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 17:45, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
• It is not stable due to edit warring on the page. - Y Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 17:45, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

Links

• Disambig still to sort out Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 17:45, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
  •  Done--DasallmächtigeJ (talk) 19:40, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
• a few dead links. Need tagging as such/archiving Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 17:47, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
  • see below.--DasallmächtigeJ (talk) 19:40, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
• Should probably archive all of the references.Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 17:48, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
  • I have never done archiving etc before and have absolutely no clue how it is done. If it does not take up much time, I would be very grateful if you could help me out here. Otherwise, I have to look into it next weekend.--DasallmächtigeJ (talk) 19:40, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
    • Sure, it's super simple. Go to History -> Fix dead links and tick Add archives to all non-dead references (Optional).  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:15, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
• Reference 38 needs more information (Yes, it's obvious, but still needs to be stated). Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 17:48, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
  •  Done--DasallmächtigeJ (talk) 19:37, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

Prose

Lede

• DLC should be written as Downloadable content in the lede. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:07, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
  •  Done--DasallmächtigeJ (talk) 19:08, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
• Always-online concept is not really a lede summary. This should be a little less jargony. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:07, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
  •  Done, although I struggled a bit with how to phrase that.--DasallmächtigeJ (talk) 19:08, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

Gameplay

• Overall - This area needs work - It's saying "the game has this", then "the game uses something else", not GA level prose. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:07, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
• "Steep is an extreme sports game set in an open world environment of the Alps and Denali (formerly known as Mount McKinley), which can be explored freely by the players" - two things - This game is an online multiplayer game, this would be great to start the paragraph. Also, remove the players. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:07, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
  •  Done--DasallmächtigeJ (talk) 19:14, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
• When first bringing in a new concept, you should link to it, and then in brackets put it's acronym, such as DLC. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:07, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
  •  Done--DasallmächtigeJ (talk) 19:14, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
• "which can be switched instantly at players' will" - Not really neccesaryBest Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:07, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
  •  Done--DasallmächtigeJ (talk) 19:14, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
• The game also utilizes the GoPro camera during races. - Not sure what this means. There's not an actual GoPro camera, might be worth stating it has a camera angle similar to gopro, or similar. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:07, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
  •  Done--DasallmächtigeJ (talk) 19:14, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
• First paragraph needs a citation Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:07, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
  • For the other activities you mean?--DasallmächtigeJ (talk) 19:14, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
    • The four main activities available in the game include skiing, wingsuit flying, snowboarding, and paragliding, while some places may require hiking to reach. With later DLC, rocket-powered wingsuits, sledding, basejumping, and speed riding were also incorporated. Players can switch between these activities by using the game's menu wheel. - All of this needs citing. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:17, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
      •  Done--DasallmächtigeJ (talk) 16:28, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
• Players can collide with each other if they enable the "collide feature" - Either uneccesary, or should be re-written that players make contact, unless disabled in settings. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:07, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
  •  Done--DasallmächtigeJ (talk) 19:14, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
• The whole second paragraph is messy. It's not written very well. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:07, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
  •  DoneI tried to trim it down a bit, if you have any more suggestions I will see to them.--DasallmächtigeJ (talk) 19:24, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
• lots of jargon in this section. Especially "tricks", and "trails". Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:07, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
  •  Done I changed "trail" to "path". As for tricks, I linked the page describing snowboard tricks (for skiing, there is none), hope that helps.--DasallmächtigeJ (talk) 19:20, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
• The final paragraph is a bit overkill. Simply mentioning that there are different styles should be plenty Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:07, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
  •  Done--DasallmächtigeJ (talk) 19:20, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

Story

• See WP:VG/MOS - This doesn't conform to that. Change the headers Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:07, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
  •  Done my problem here was that the game does not have much of a story, frame action would describe it better. Yet, the Olympics DLC features an actual story, so I was struggling to get all the different aspects into one section... I changed it to story now according to the guidelines.--DasallmächtigeJ (talk) 19:28, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
    • If there isn't enough information for a plot section, you needent have one Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:19, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
• Just because it's a plot section, doesn't mean it can't have sourcing. This is generally only for actual story sections, so the bit on setting should still be sourced. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:07, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
  • The thing is there are no external sources going into detail about the specific peaks and regions. I took all of that from the game. I could use the game as a source if you like.--DasallmächtigeJ (talk) 19:32, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
    • Quite a few of the reviews go into details. IGN for example comment on it being set in the alps, and about the mountain paths. Remember, Wikipedia is a summary of what reliable sources say, not original research about a game. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:26, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
• The game doesn't really have a plot outside levelling up, and acheving the rank of "ultimate legend". Doesn't the game also have mountain paths that all have individual stories? Seems like an omition. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:07, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
  • As stated above, frame action is more like it. The "mountain stories" are completely self-contained and do not further any story of any kind. Most resolve around a mountain telling you how beautiful it is or some random guy telling you why he likes skiing. I would not consider any of them relevant.--DasallmächtigeJ (talk) 19:32, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

In hindsight, I went a bot overboard with this section. I wanted to include everything an article could include, such as a setting and a story. But the game lacks an actual story and naming all mountains is unnecessary detail. Most information can be found in the gameplay section. Thus, I have decided to shelve this section altogehter and include all necessary information in the gameplay section.--DasallmächtigeJ (talk) 16:12, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

Development

• Steep became the first original game created by them. - This simple sentence is a bit redundent. I'd add it somewhere else. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:30, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
  •  Done--DasallmächtigeJ (talk) 16:17, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
• "In February 2016, Ubisoft announced that their games lineup in their fiscal year 2017 will be "multiplayer-centric" - in the 2017 fiscal year They don't own it. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:30, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
  •  Done--DasallmächtigeJ (talk) 16:17, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
• The game was revealed at the 2016 Electronic Entertainment Expo as the closing act to Ubisoft's press conference. The showing included a trailer and playable demo. - Condense to one sentence. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:30, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
  •  Done--DasallmächtigeJ (talk) 16:17, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
• renamed section to Additional content -  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:31, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
• please link 2018 Winter Olympics and X-Games Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:33, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
  •  Done--DasallmächtigeJ (talk) 16:17, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
• Aside from the typo, this sentence adds nothing - "Additionally, the games features several other smaller DLC packs containing clothing, as well as the ability to buy in-game currensy for real money." Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:33, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
  •  Done--DasallmächtigeJ (talk) 16:17, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

Reception

• Scores should not be in both the information box, and the prose. Remove these from the text. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 09:50, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
  •  Done--DasallmächtigeJ (talk) 17:51, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
• Serious copywrite issues with the long quotes. These should be broken up. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 09:50, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
  •  Done greatly reduced the quotes. Should be fine now.--DasallmächtigeJ (talk) 17:51, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
• See Wikipedia:Copyediting reception sections - This one is just a list of reviews, and what they said. That's not really GA level. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 09:50, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
  •  Done tried to adress this by regrouping parts of the section according to how the game was received.--DasallmächtigeJ (talk) 17:51, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
• Section also needs a general copyedit. Quite a few gramatical and spelling errors. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 09:50, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
  •  Done my pc is rather old and when editing in the browser it cannot switch to English. I tried to upload the article into a word file to see the errors better. Hopefully found all of them.--DasallmächtigeJ (talk) 17:51, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
• "cast" (For case), "Olampics" et al Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 09:50, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
  •  Done see above--DasallmächtigeJ (talk) 17:51, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
• When using quotations, no space is needed between the " and the next word..." Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 09:50, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
  •  Done don't know how that happened...--DasallmächtigeJ (talk) 17:51, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
• The article needs to be very clear on the DLC being either an expansion, or a release. It can't be both. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 09:50, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
  •  Done--DasallmächtigeJ (talk) 17:51, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

Notes & References

• With the references now archived, these are fine. Just remember for future to tag as Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 09:52, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
• Official website is fine Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 09:52, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

GA Review

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

Comments

• Hi! I've completed the review. I've placed on hold, but I know a lot of editors would have closed as fail. There's a few major issues with the proposal, but I will give you a couple days to reply and see if you can edit them (I'm not a fan of failing a review, if there is any chance the issues can be resolved.) Here's what I've got:

1. Prose is bad in places. Including spelling mistakes and grammatical errors. I've highlighted a few above.
2. Issues around Original research. The setting section does need to be cited.
3. I will also need to investigate copyvio issues that this article might have. To help with this - condense the quotes in the reception.

I'll leave this open for a few days. Let me know if you require more information. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 09:59, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

I'll try to adress all of your suggestion within this week.--DasallmächtigeJ (talk) 16:01, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

I adressed all of your concerns except for the reception section, which I will improve over the next days. Please let me now if you have more suggestions!--DasallmächtigeJ (talk) 16:29, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

Since I had worked on the article before for WP:DYK, I simply wanted to add some simple comments. I hope all of you won't mind my sudden intrusion. The lead should include some information about development, you can add a gameplay screenshot in the gameplay section. Digital Chumps, XGN and VGChartz are not considered as reliable sources. AdrianGamer (talk) 10:34, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

No worries, I didn't see those. Two of those are listed as unreliable, so need to be removed. I couldn't find XGN listed on WP:VG/RS. Simply not being considered as reliable isn't grounds for not using a source. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:03, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

Please let me know when you are happy DasallmächtigeJ, and I'll have another look through Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:16, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

By now I have (hopefully) adressed all of your concerns. If you wish for any more additions/changes, please let me know!--DasallmächtigeJ (talk) 18:06, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

No problem. I'll take another look at the article tomorrow. For future reference if you are worried about spelling/grammar errors in the article, contact WP:GOCE, and request a review before nominating to GA. They do great work, and saves having to do so much work at the other end. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:39, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.