Talk:State (Bell/Springvale) Highway

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In dire need of references, but I have been able to confirm this odd construction is in fact the name of the road (VicRoads). Orderinchaos 05:08, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

There is no longer a rail crossing at Nunawading 115.130.44.65 (talk) 08:04, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Misleading title

The article is titled "Route 40, Melbourne" but only refers to the State (Bell/Springvale) Highway portion. Either the full Route 40 should be included, or the title changed to be more appropriate. - Bricks J. Winzer (talk) 12:43, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

Disambiguation style

Note: There is a proposal at WT:AURD#Move_articles_to_bracket_disambiguation to rename this article (and others) to conform to the WP:AURDNAME guideline – specifically, using brackets instead of a comma for disambiguation. - Evad37 [talk] 08:59, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Proposed number

Before 2013, NSW road articles had the hatnote "Proposed ___ to replace __" inside the infobox. How about we do that here as well instead of just deleting people's changes? Jordf32123 (talk) 09:56, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

If you can find a reliable source that confirms the proposed route for that road, and cite that source as a reference, then sure, add that to the infobox. But until those conditions are met, then no, as it's speculation otherwise. Lordstorm (talk) 01:11, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Possibly split article

According to the VicRoads Register of Public Roads as referenced in the article, (page 957 as stamped on the document, jump to page 973 out of 1173 in your pdf browser) the State (Bell/Springvale) Highway seems to:

• Start at Hackett St, Pascoe Vale South and end at Bulleen Rd, Bulleen (this is the Bell St portion)

• Start at the Eastlink/Eastern Freeway-Springvale Road Interchange, Nunawading and end at the Mornington Peninsula Freeway, Chelsea Heights (this is the Springvale Rd portion)

It doesn't say anything about the connecting roads between Bell St and Springvale Rd, that is, Manningham Rd, Williamson Rd, Doncaster Rd, Mitcham Rd being part of it, i.e. between Bulleen Rd and the Eastlink Interchange or after the Mornington Peninsula Freeway interchange, on Edithvale Rd.

Also, this article very much does breach WP:COMMONNAME (nobody has ever used the term "State Highway" in any combination whatsoever, it seems to be a government invention to name a previously unnamed grouping of two roads which they want to classify as one for some reason). I'm not even sure this article needs to exist, there is nothing linking Bell St and Springvale Road apart from a Route number (which also includes many other roads) and a technical government document. There also seems to be a lot of WP:EXCESSDETAIL, especially about the hyper technicalities of what is or isn't part of the highway on the official register of roads and the history of this register. I actually made the image with the constituent sections, which is wrong, following the logic of the first paragraph of the article and thinking all of route 40 after CityLink was part of the State (Bell/Springvale) Highway.

Should we possibly split this into Bell St (up to and including the Bell Banksia Link which is normally just Bell St) and Springvale Rd articles? MarkiPoli (talk) 10:29, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

References

Requested move 24 April 2024

State (Bell/Springvale) Highway → Bell Street – This is not the WP:COMMON NAME, is unknown to drivers and is not on any signs, and is not a nickname or anything of the sort. Bell Street and Springvale Road, separately, are notable, but the route as a whole isn't. I have created two new articles with appropriate citations, Draft:Bell Street and Draft:Springvale Road. These drafts also have a lot less WP:EXCESSDETAIL. I am proposing firstly a WP:SPLIT to create the Springvale Road article, noting the diff it was split from on this article in the split talk template, then move this article to Bell Street and change the content. It is better to do this instead of deleting this article and creating two new ones to preserve the history for attribution. After that, I propose to create a new disambiguation article at State (Bell/Springvale) Highway. Then I would fix the incoming links to it to point to either Bell Street or Springvale Road directly. Listing under an RM instead of requested split because it is not a traditional split (keep original article at same title and put existing section to new article) and RM is necessary to move the article, and I'm not going to make these drastic changes without listing it for discussion MarkiPoli (talk) 07:00, 24 April 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Natg 19 (talk) 21:45, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

• Neutral on whether to rename the article at all, but definitely oppose the primary topic hijack. There are lots of Bell Streets in the world and this isn't the most important. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:40, 30 April 2024 (UTC)