Talk:Star Control 3/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Abryn (talk · contribs) 16:26, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for getting this started. I would be happy to work hard if need be, as much as it takes to reach GA. Also, there is a backlog of GA nominations at the Video Games WikiProject, and I'd like to learn from this process as much as possible, so that I can help with some of the backlog. I don't check WP every single day, so be patient if it takes 2-3 days to check back in. I'll do my best to reply quicker. Shooterwalker (talk) 15:55, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

Lead

• I noticed subjective statements of strengthened detail, and checked the source attached in the body. At a glance, Kalata does not appear to be making that claim. Can you point out what portion of the article you are citing for that claim?

• Let me dive in. That's my summary of a paragraph where Kalata says, "The rotation of the ships are much smoother, offering many more degrees over the 16 steps of Star Control II, and the scaling is much smoother than the 3DO version." Didn't mean for that to sound so subjective, as it's definitely a quantifiable jump. Star Control 1 and 2 were from 1990 and only had 16 discrete steps to aim / steer, even when they ported SC2 to 3DO. I'm about to shut down for the night, but I'll stay on top of this stuff as we go. Happy to rewrite or phrase things closer to the source's language. Just let me know what you'd like to see. Shooterwalker (talk) 03:09, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

• A lot of people are mentioned in the infobox, but not in the article, and are unsourced. Feature these people in the article with sources or remove (Capelli, Riley, Frazier, Dahlgren, Poesch, Tyler). Also, remove the J. from Lindner's name in infobox.
  • I went ahead and found a statement about Poesch that I could add to the article. But the others I can only source to the credits in the manual. I'm hesitant to remove credit to hardworking people, and those credits technically could be verified with citations to the manual in the infobox. But I trust your understanding of guidelines. I just want to double check that you really think it's best I remove them. Shooterwalker (talk) 01:05, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
    • I certainly appreciate that desire, though from my understanding, we can only list people who worked on it if reliable secondary sources deem them notable figures by bringing up their contributions. - Bryn (talk) (contributions) 01:21, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
      • Went ahead and removed them, as suggested. I respect your understanding of the guidelines. Shooterwalker (talk) 01:36, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

Gameplay

• The player can manage > The player managed
• "Overall, colony management is simpler than other strategy games of the time,[4] mainly offering a convenient way to refuel without returning to a central star base." This is an opinion, even if it's sourced, and thus shouldn't be included.
  • Made these two edits. Thanks for all the work so far. Shooterwalker (talk) 01:05, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

Plot

• Inconsistent tone in the plot; sometimes, the article talks about the Captain's actions, other times it talks about the player's actions. It should focus on the former since this is story.
• Consider trimming the Plot section down to be more concise and focused.

• Changed those terms, and gave it a slight rewrite for clarity. Let me know if it's moving in the right direction. Shooterwalker (talk) 17:30, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

Development

• "would lead the game design" > "lead the game design"
• "would be written by" > "was written by"
• "would be lead by" > "was lead by"
• Who is arguing the quality of Legend Entertainment's writers?
• Unlink Mike Verdu
• Is State of the Art a company? If so, unitalicize.
• "The final game seemed to repeat the same animations in most situations" - according to whom?
• Who determined the professionalized nature of 3 vs. 2?
• I think a good approach would be to have quality, professionalization, and what it seemed to have done redone to be a little more neutrally.

• Done. Focused on more factual statements, like the writers being veterans from Infocom, and the voice actors being professionals instead of friends. Also removed the conflicting statements about whether the developers achieved their goals of dynamic animations. I'll be off an on over the next few days to continue editing. Shooterwalker (talk) 17:30, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

Reception

• Indicate who or what demonstrated the success of Star Control 3.
• Is there any data on later SC3 sales?
• "At the time its release" > "At the time of its release"
• Should it be mentioned that comparisons were made between the two in this context? Comparison doesn't necessarily mean that it would get poor reviews.
• Critical acclaim of SC2 is also not cited in that section, I'd advise cutting it.
• The Reception section has major issues with quoting. I absolutely advise that you cut down on quotations significantly and instead summarize what the reviewers are communicating.
• Is there an aggregate page for the Macintosh version of the game?
• Metacritic score should have the citation in the table.

Legacy

• Cut down on quotations.

References

• Make sure that you are consistent with reference formatting.

Misc

• Make sure to be consistent about "quotations". and "quotations."

• I went ahead and addressed the reception/legacy as best I could. Let me know if I missed any inconsistencies in the references or quotations. Tried to cut down quotations, while still preserving the most important ones. Unfortunately, in all my research, I couldn't find any final sales data for the game. It faded into relative obscurity compared to the second game. But I think we are very close. Let me know if there's any lingering issues. Shooterwalker (talk) 21:12, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

Looks good now. Passed. - Bryn (talk) (contributions) 20:43, 26 July 2020 (UTC)