Talk:Standard American Diet

This article doesn't have much to do with the standard American Diet. Perhaps it should be merged Transportation in the United States or Transportation in North America articles?

I agree, this article doesn't have much to do with the SAD diet, but it's also inaccurate when describing it as being high in saturated fat. What with all the propaganda against saturated fat, foods containing them are being shunned. Butter is being replaced with margarine, vegetables oils, more often than not, are being used for the processed foods so common in the SAD diet, very lean cuts of meat and meat products are promoted as the most healthy and dairy products are rarely eaten whole, but low or no fat. Processed foods on the whole are low in saturated fats since that's what sells and these hyper processed foods make up the basic makeup of the SAD diet and the cause of the rampant obesity in this country.

"diet relatively high in saturated fat, trans fat, chemical additives, and refined sugar."

This might be more accurately worded this way: "diet high in trans fat, chemical additives, and refined sugar and refined white flour."

If I can find a reliable article on the SAD diet that can be sourced I will try and expand this article.

Fact checking

There's a good article in here waiting to come out, but at the moment it reads like a personal commentary, by an American, on American diets. I'm not convinced Europeans (whatever that term means!) worker substantially shorter weeks or value their food more highly. Here in the UK, there are plenty of people working similar working weeks to Americans,[1][2] and some factors, such as commuting long distances (60 minutes plus), probably eat into "off duty" time to a greater extent than they do for the average American in a Midwestern city who only commutes for 20 minutes. The diet/obesity issues in the UK are very similar to those in the US,[3] and the British certainly don't place any great pride in their cooking. So while it may be true that family meals are a bigger thing in rural parts of Southern Europe, say, I doubt this argument holds much water in the industrial and commercial centres in England, France, Germany or wherever. Cheers, Neale Neale Monks 22:26, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

I agree it's inappropriate to generalise about 'Europeans'. The British are very like the Americans in work and lifestyle habits. The French, even in industrial and commercial centres have a longer working day but regularly take 2-hour lunch breaks, which often include sports activities and/or leisurely meals - that seems relevant to the argument being made. From a Brit, resident in France. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.128.43.20 (talk) 05:31, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

This article makes Europe the only source of comparison, when places like Japan and Korea have some of the lowest rates of obesity in the world, far below most european countries.There needs to be far less western bias in the article. I have edited out 'european' where I found it inappropriate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.120.52.67 (talk) 05:54, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Added one citation needed for "slower eating proven to reduce overeating" comment. True, but most certainly needs link to study/experiment/statistics. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.193.245.23 (talk) 02:38, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Article doesn't talk enough about S.A.D.

The entire 1st half of "Obesity and the American Diet" deals with "urban flight" as an explanation of the US diet, rather than give specific examples of the American diet. For example, discuss typical foods and meals eaten regularly in the US, and compare them with "healthier" countries, such as Mediterranan countries and Japan.

Also, "Obesity and the American Diet" needs to be organized and split into paragraphs! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.102.131.87 (talk) 11:52, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

tagged

I added three much-needed tags. They speak for themselves. -134.84.102.192 09:48, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

NPOV

Why does this article read like it's an essay by a pro-McD lobbyist? It seems very persuasive and gives point after point towards it's final conclusion that "fast food alone doesn't cause obesity". This article has nothing to do with "SAD" and should be completely removed or reworked. An essay on how ppl in America need to "move their asses more" has no place on a page about SAD. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.145.112.69 (talk) 18:51, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Also, I've tagged it as POV because I challenge its POV as being neutral. Because of forementioned reasons, to me it sounds like a lobbyist with a pre-packaged set of references, trying to reassure a McD eating public. (in both paragraphs, I of course use McD as a welknown example, feel free to insert any similar fast-food chain where it says McD). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.145.112.69 (talk) 18:57, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Nominiate for deletion

Biased, generalized, and without sources. There aren't other parallel articles like this. I think I should be be deleted. Arthurian Legend (talk) 03:26, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Second the motion to delete and/or merge. I know that a "standard diet" is something which is defined since the FDA does sampling of food products to examine interactions and aggregate effects of food in the US food supply, the Total Diet Study, but that doesn't really meet notability for an article. The content here, while I happen to agree with the message, is more WP:SOAP than actual information.Somedumbyankee (talk) 19:42, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

I agree. This article is biased and unsubstantiated, and sounds like it was written by a 12 year old student. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.33.196.167 (talk) 18:22, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

I was sore tempted to {{prod}} it. A Google scholar] search shows me that the term is often used in the medical and social science fields (and a broader scholar search shows about 50% more uses outside those fields). So there definitely is a real article to be written at this title - but I still was very tempted to to suggest a deletion because of how poor the content is here. GRBerry 14:27, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

How about redirecting it to Western pattern diet? "SAD" is a derogatory term used by alternative/complementary POVs, but I think that Western pattern diet might be the least POV approach for the article. WhatamIdoing (talk) 02:09, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

With no other opinions, I've done so. Maybe someday someone will write something here. GRBerry 21:35, 25 June 2008 (UTC)