Talk:St. Martin, Oestrich

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 23:43, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

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Interior of St. Martin

• ... that the late-Gothic appearance of St. Martin (interior pictured) in Oestrich was destroyed in the Thirty Years' War and restored only in 1894? Source: several
  • Reviewed: to come

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 23:36, 16 December 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/St. Martin, Oestrich; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

• I shall review this. Storye book (talk) 17:47, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: A few points:

• According to DYK check, the article has 1410 readable prose characters; you need another 90. For example, have any newspaper reports of the concerts mentioned the acoustics of that church? Length is OK now, with 2992 characters.
• Citations (with Google Translate): (1) " built around 1508 on the site of its Romanesque predecessor. Burned out and partially destroyed in 1635, then rebuilt. Extensively restored 1890-93. Rich facilities. Chapel at the end of the 17th century Former. Catholic rectory from 1633".
• "Late-Gothic appearance" in the hook needs to be rephrased in my opinion. At first glance I thought it meant some sort of gothic (as in gothic horror) poltergeist or other ghostly appearance, so that I looked hopefully at the picture for a spook. I accept that I confused "appearance" with "apparition", and I may be the only idiot who gets it wrong by just glancing - but - perhaps "late Gothic architectural style"?
• I have adjusted the subheadings, in the hope of making it easier for others to add new information in the right place. (This does not affect DYK).
• QPQ pending. Storye book (talk) 18:19, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

  Thank you for the review! - If we are afraid of apparitions, how is this?

  ALT0a: ... that the church St. Martin (interior pictured) in Oestrich, destroyed in the Thirty Years' War, was rebuilt with a flat ceiling and restored to its former late-Gothic vaults only in 1894?

  I'm afraid the image doesn't show too well in stamp size, with the vaults in darkness. We have now a pic of just the altar area but it doesn't show the vaults that are key (to a late restoration, - similar to the towers of the Cologne Cathedral that were built only in the 19th century). So how is this?

ALT1: ... that a choir from Biscay performed a concert at St. Martin in Oestrich, Germany (pictured)?

The reason is a city-sisterhood of Wiesbaden (not far, and they performed 3 concert there) and San Sebastian. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:03, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, Gerda. ALTs 0a and 1 are fine, and so is the choir picture. Actually I like both pictures, so I'll leave it up to the promoter. I still like the intention of ALT0, and I don't believe we need to lose the option of using it. How about an ALT0b, which is identical to ALT0, with the addition of "church of"? What amused me initially is that I was hoping for an apparition of Martin himself. But if we change him into "Church of St Martin" or maybe "St Martin's Church", that would prevent misreadings by fools like me. If we can retain the idea of ALT0 (an excellent idea IMO), and when you get around to doing the QPQ, then we can complete this nom. Storye book (talk) 17:36, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. I reviewed Template:Did you know nominations/Mary Creighton Bailey. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:51, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for the review. I have added a lightened version of the ALT0 image (File:St Martin Oestrich innen (2).jpg) in case you want to use it. Lightening the whole picture causes the loss of the central chancel details, but it does now show the Gothic Revival construction. So please let me know (1) if you want to keep the option of ALT0 by changing it slightly, and (2) if you want to use the lightened ALT0 image. Storye book (talk) 18:03, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

I like the lightened image, thank you! I think it could go with ALT0a or

ALT0b: ... that the late-Gothic appearance of the church of St. Martin (interior pictured) in Oestrich was destroyed in the Thirty Years' War and restored only in 1894? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:13, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

. Thank you, Gerda. Good to go, with ALT1 + choir picture, or ALT0 a or b with interior picture. I prefer ALT0b + interior picture. Storye book (talk) 10:45, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

As worldwide viewers might not know when the Thirty Years' War was, would this be acceptable @Storye book and Gerda Arendt:? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 00:47, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

ALT0c: ... that the late-Gothic appearance of the church of St. Martin (interior pictured) in Oestrich was destroyed in 1635 and only restored after 260 years?

I think it's less interesting, and if readers don't know about a war with long hardship implied in its title there is a link offering them to learn about it, and they had already 19 chances on DYK. It doesn't matter at all when exactly that was, - could be 100 years earlier or later without change in the meaning: what people do to each other. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:06, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, Gerda and AirshipJungleman29. Although I think that ALT0c is weaker without the war link (sadly, lots of readers are keenly into war stories), there is nothing wrong with it. Good to go, with ALT1 + choir picture, or ALT0a, b or c with interior picture. I prefer ALT0b + interior picture. Storye book (talk) 09:36, 14 January 2024 (UTC)