Talk:Space travel in science fiction/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Artem.G (talk · contribs) 18:21, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

Hey, I will be reviewing this article!

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
It is reasonably well written. a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists): It is factually accurate and verifiable. a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism): It is broad in its coverage. a (major aspects): b (focused): It follows the neutral point of view policy. Fair representation without bias: It is stable. No edit wars, etc.: It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate. a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall: Pass/Fail:
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Comments/question:

• many aspects of futuristic science - futurism can be linked here
• visible distinction between more "realistic" and scientific fiction (also known as hard sf[8]), whose writers, often scientists like Konstantin Tsiolkovsky and Max Valier, focused on the more plausible concept of interplanetary travel (to the Moon or Mars) - though I do understand what do you mean here, I think it's not entirely correct. No [1] this ref nor hard sf mentions Tsiolkovsky and Valier as an examplary writers of the genre, they can possibly be viewed as proto-SF, though I'm not sure about this terminology. Hard sf writers are Clarke, Niven, and others, but its a later era of sci-fi.
• George Slusser suggested that - he need to be somehow introduced (for example "Historian John Doe writes...")
• also described as the first science fiction film - Science fiction film can be linked
• Together with other early movies such as Woman in the Moon (1929), Thing to Come (1936), and (1937) German film Weltraumschiff I Startet Eine Technische Fantasie (Space Ship 1 launches - a technical fantasy)[11] contributed to the early recognition of the concept of the rocket as the iconic and primary means of space travel, decades before the space program begun in earnest.[5]:744 - the titles should be somehow unified, you can either mention nationals for every movie (French, British, German, etc) or remove "German" from the sentence, and also use dates either before or after the title. Also German article can be linked here: Weltraumschiff I Startet
• "Weltraumschiff I" describes a German Apollo 8-style mission - why is it "Apollo 8-style" a not just "Apollo-style"
• link from ref 5 [2] returns no results for me, please replace it with a link to the whole book [3] or with a better link if there is one. It's also not entirely clear whether this ref should apply to the "Weltraumschiff" movie.
• Later milestones in film and television include the Star Trek series - link Star Trek: The Original Series
• why do you use "A statue of the Starship Enterprise from Star Trek." as an image, and not File:Enterprise_NX-01.jpg for example?
• Dean,[k] FTL - it's probably better to use full names - Dean drive and faster than light travel here
• note m, "[Inertialess drive is one of the early terms for fictitious..." - no need for [
• in the list "The 2007 Brave New Words: The Oxford Dictionary of Science Fiction listed" - hyperdrive, overdrive and ultradrive, should probably be grouped together, as the note can be applied for all of them
• maybe (just a suggestion), this File:Lost_in_Space_program_premiere_1965.JPG image can be used here? Suspended animation is a frequent theme, and that image seems relevant.
• File:Polaris.jpg - its commons page says "The copyright holder of this work allows anyone to use it for any purpose including unrestricted redistribution, commercial use, and modification." but the website [4] says "The Space Explorers and The New Adventures of the Space Explorers by CARTOON CLASSICS are © Copyrighted by Radio & Television Packagers, Inc. All original images and multimedia sound clips are courtesy of Radio & Television Packagers, Inc. and may not be reproduced in whole or in part without the express written consent of Radio and Television Packagers Inc. Animatoons™ is a trademark of Radio & Television Packagers, Inc." Can you please clarify whether it's the former or the latter?
• about see also - I'm not entirely sure that flying saucer and unidentified flying object is needed here
• just a question - do you think that some section on psychological effects of space travel as described in sci-fi should be included in the article?

I will re-read the article and add more comments later. Artem.G (talk) 18:21, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

• Artem.G, I'll be addressing the above over the next few days. Comments:
• futurism - I linked future studies instead, seems more relevant?

• sure, of course I've confused them :)

• I changed the sentence about hard SF in a way that should address your concerns?

• ok, now it's better.

• Weltraumschiff part has been removed as anon's OR that sneaked in (see below)

• I saw that this part was added by anon, but since this addition wasn't reverted I've pointed this probelms.

• re: File:Enterprise NX-01.jpg - because that is fair use and arguably cannot be linked here? I chose the best Star Treek "free" image I could find, although arguably more decent choices exist, some hidden in subcategories - I just stumbled upon File:Enterprise & Voyager.jpg and File:USS Enterprise 1701D.jpg which are ok too, if the copyright holds

• my bad, sorry, I somehow missed that all that images were fair use. the one that is in article is fine, ley it be (but if you prefer one another one it should be fine too)

• Dean drive - there would be a lot of drives in that sentence if we expanded them (Dean isn't the only one..). FTL expanded.
• re "hyperdrive, overdrive and ultradrive, should probably be grouped together, as the note can be applied for all of them" - true, but that would break the alphabetical listing of the drives, it's the case of no good choice I think

• fair, let it be

• I replaced the polaris image with the suspended animation one you found :)
• see also - I think they are somewhat relevant as fictional(?) famous types of space ships
• re the psychology - in theory, yes, but in practice, if it is not in sources, it would be OR. And I don't recall much about this in sources - a few passing mentions when some plot was summarized here and there. There are many ways this article could be expanded, the problem is sourcing - I think all themes touched upon by the cited sources are covered. I can imagine more - psychology, discussion of movie props, CGI, a section on spacecraft design ("from rocket to other shapes/concepts"), and so on. Some of this can overlap with stuff to be written (spacecraft in fiction) or existing (hyperspace). _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 08:07, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

• sure, I've also tried to track some sources but without any results, so you are right here - a lot can be added, but it would be OR without proper refs. I'll re-read article later today and check the sources that you use, but right now everything seems to be fine. Artem.G (talk) 11:48, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

• Sorry for delay, I was a bit busy. I've checked the refs, and everything seems to be fine. I'd like to see the article expanded, but sourcing is really challenging here. So, I think the article is good enough to be GA , so congrats and thanks for the nice read! Artem.G (talk) 13:07, 19 October 2021 (UTC)