Talk:Soviet montage theory

Godfather example

In the example from The Godfather it says "The murders thus 'baptize' Michael into a life of crime." I've never seen the movie but it seems to make more sense to say that Michael's nephew was baptized into a life of crime. Can anyone clarify this? Tocharianne 00:19, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

External links

I discovered that this article was linking directly to QuickTime files--including one's hosted by my department at the University of Alabama. This does not seem to fit with Wikipedia:External links. So, I've changed, where I could, these links to go to HTML pages that link to these files. Also, I've added an external links section that connects to the pages at the University of Alabama and Glasgow University where these files are hosted. If this is a violation of Wikipedia's vanity policies, I leave it to another editor to delete them. --Jeremy Butler 14:00, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

You're right about linking to the html pages, thanks for catching that. The external links look useful as well. Tocharianne 14:51, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

The second example of Rhythmic Montage has a dead link. When one clicks on it they receive a 404 Error. If anyone can supply an alternative link to the noted sequence, then please edit the page to reflect that. Otherwise, the link and the reference to it should be deleted.--Soviet689 (talk) 15:44, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Lots more dead links--almost every type of montage has a dead link. The section needs to re-written with text descriptions of the montage techniques (which appear in either Film Form or The Film Sense), or linked to working videos. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.236.167.182 (talk) 22:03, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Proposal to remove the word Soviet from the article title or to restructure article as Montage Editing

While I realize that montage theory was initially articulated by Eisenstein, its rapid acceptance within both European, American, and world film culture makes its country of origin seem insufficiently important to warrant a place in the title of the article. After all, we don't discuss "American continuity editing" despite it being largely developed by D. W. Griffith in Hollywood in the 1900's and 1910's. Both used their editing technique to develop an ideological element in their films (communism for Eisenstein and racism for Griffith), that they later distanced themselves from. Eisenstein was clearly the more intellectual of the two, writing explicitly theoretical justifications of the technique, but the fact that there is montage editing used in films from Citizen Kane to Rocky shows that there is nothing inherently Soviet about the technique.

I would like to propose that either the word Soviet be removed from the title of the article, or, better yet, that the article be restructured as one titled "Montage Editing" to parallel the one titled "Continuity Editing". The new Montage article should have a theory and a history section (as, really, the Continuity article should) and, propably, should have the "Montage sequence article" merged into it. Grhabyt 15:11, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

I second this view. Eisenstein's theory on montage stretched well beyond borders, had been and is taught at film schools around the world(not suggesting that this point is of significance in our case), and constitutes one of the fundamental principles of filmmaking to this date. In a realm as international as Filmmaking, ideas are spread with remarkable efficiency, and this was the case even in Eisenstein's time(Although things changed a bit with the advent of the McCarthy era).

On an another note, I believe that the general tone of the article may be a bit more neutral, which I should think merits a talk section of it's own. cheers! Mrbdt (talk)Mrbdt

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Regarding the Article's Tone

Hello fellow Wikipedians! It's come to my attention now that the general tone of this article may be a little too forceful to fit our neutrality principles, and, perhaps more importantly, also much of it also lacks any citations. One paragraph, apparently without any citation, reads:

"Confined to the project of Soviet expansion, film theorists of the USSR cared little for questions of meaning. Instead, the writing sought the praxis of filmmaking and theory. The pragmatic and revolutionary application of these movements stands in harsh contrast to ideas being developed simultaneously in Western Europe. Socialist Realism characterized the emergence of art within the constraints of communism. Constructivism, an extension of Futurism, sought a pre-modern integration of art into the everyday. Soviet theorists had a clear job before them: theorize in order to aid the cause of the Communist Party."

Not only is this paragraph like an essay and is clearly not encyclopaedic(which should be avoided in Wikipedia at all costs see WP:NOTESSAY), it also appears to imply that Soviet filmmakers of the time lacked artistic merit, which is a dangerous path to go down. I would have removed it, but I believe the entire article merits a complete overhaul and restructuring. I shall refrain from this for now(as it's just new years now and I should probably go and celebrate with my family), but I encourage an another fellow Wikipedian to step in! Happy new years everyone! Mrbdt (talk)Mrbdt — Preceding undated comment added 22:36, 31 December 2021 (UTC)