Talk:Southern hip hop/Archive 1

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Orphaned references in Southern hip hop

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Reference named "MTV":

• From Kendrick Lamar: Nadeska Alexis (March 8, 2012). "Kendrick Lamar, Black Hippy Ink Deals With Interscope And Aftermath". MTV. Retrieved March 8, 2012.
• From Rocko (rapper): "Rocko - Music Videos, Songs, News, Photos and Lyrics". MTV.com. Retrieved December 19, 2011.
• From Waka Flocka Flame: Mawuse Ziegbe (August 2010). "Waka Flocka Flame Denies Beef With Gucci Mane". MTV.
• From Nas: Reid, Shaheem. "Nas's ex Spills The Beans, T.I. Beats The Bootleggers". MTV. Retrieved December 12, 2008.
• From T.I.: T.I. Makes First Public Appearance Since Prison MTV. Retrieved February 23, 2010.
• From Lil' Troy: Baker, Soren (October 8, 2001). "Lil' Troy, Free From Prison, Is Back To Ballin'". MTV News. Retrieved January 17, 2010. {{cite web}}: Italic or bold markup not allowed in: |publisher= (help)
• From Our World, Our Way: MTV News staff (January 25, 2008). Jennifer Lopez And Marc Anthony Do Disney MTV. Accessed February 3, 2008.
• From Flo Rida: Harris, Chris. "Lil Wayne, Coldplay, Alicia Keys Lead 2008 American Music Award Nominees". MTV News. Retrieved October 14, 2008.
• From ASAP Rocky: Markman, Rob (October 20, 2011). "Drake Has 'Good Taste,' A$AP Rocky Says After Co-Sign". MTV. Retrieved November 15, 2011.
• From Show Out (Roscoe Dash song): Ziegbe, Mawuse (2010-05-19). "Roscoe Dash Films 'Have-Fun, Wild-Out' Video For 'Show Out'". MTV News. MTV Networks. Retrieved 2010-06-03.
• From Shawty Lo: Reid, Shaheem (March 26, 2009). "Shawty Lo Recalls Fast-Paced Youth In His Atlanta 'Hood". MTV News. Retrieved April 23, 2009.
• From Chopped and screwed: "Chopped & Screwed: A History: [Page 2]", MTV.com. "Of course, it wasn't just the slower pace of Southern life that was simpatico with chopped and screwed music. It was also the drug culture springing up in Houston at the time—specifically, the one centering on the consumption of the prescription cough syrup Promethazine, which includes codeine. The elixir goes by a number of names—syrup, drank, Texas tea—and its depressant qualities were the catalyst to an illicit subculture built around its abuse and the lethargic beats of chopped and screwed."
• From Rick Rubin: What's Up With That Bearded Guy From The '99 Problems' Video? – MTV.com

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 02:32, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

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Nelly is a Southern rapper

He may rep St. Louis, but his lyrical and production style shares several similarities with Southern Rap, as does his dialect and slang, as well and his “errr” pronunciation with words. In his music videos, he has made references to St .Louis as the “Derrty” (which refers to the Dirty South). Even his debut album is called “Country” Grammer. If you Google “Nelly” and “South”, you’ll understand my point. Unlike other forms of music, Hip Hop genres are not determined by geographic location, but style. Clispe, for example, despite being based from Virginia (generally considered a Southern state) have cited Mobb Deep and Gangstarr as their inspirations, and have even defined themselves as “East Coast” rappers in their interviews. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chubdub (talk • contribs) 21:01, 3 January 2006

From Nelly's allmusic.com entry:

He wasn't from the East or West Coast, and wasn't really from the Dirty South, either. Rather, Nelly was from St. Louis, a Midwestern city halfway between Minneapolis and New Orleans. His locale certainly informed his rapping style, which was as much country as urban, and his dialect as well, which was, similarly, as much Southern drawl as Midwestern twang. Plus, Nelly never shied away from a pop-rap approach, embracing a singalong vocal style that made his hooks incredibly catchy.

I think it's fair to say that Nelly's not a Southern rapper in the common use of that term. | Klaw ¡digame! 23:41, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

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True, but Nelly typically raps on a double beat, typical of Chicago (see twister) and Kansas City (see tech n9ne) rappers. This is quite different then many southern rappers who rap at a more regular pace. I don't know too much about rap, but I have observed this.

You mean rapping fast? actually...many rappers from Memphis and surrounding areas also rap fast.

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St. Louis may be technically a midwestern city, it is heavily influenced by its proximity to the south. The city shares many characteristics with cities like Memphis and Atlanta much more so than Chicago or Minneapolis. That given with Nelly's lyrical structure (same can be applied to Chingy, J-Kwon, Murphy Lee, and other St. Louis rappers) St. Louis rap is usually (content-wise)more closely related to other dirty south rap. Nelly was one of the first rappers to start referring to his home as "The Dirty."

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It doesn't matter. What matters is where you're from. Nelly constanly represents the Midwest. He even was in a song called "Midwest Swing

when did 50 cent say he didnt like southern rap

Music of South Florida AfD

Since I'm not an expert on the Rap music scene, I don't know if it's worth saving or not, but the Music of South Florida article is being nominated for deletion. Any input from experts in the southern rap scene would be welcome at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Music_of_South_Florida#.5B.5BMusic_of_South_Florida.5D.5D
Thanks! Dreadlocke ☥ 17:13, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

The article was saved! Dreadlocke ☥ 23:09, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Southern Rap

First of all St. Louis has little in common with Atlanta, and is def. defined as a midwestern city. Second, rap from big label artists hailing from Atlanta are different culturally from the inner city rap which can be heard on local radio stations and get the air play in the city of Atlanta. Memphis, Atlanta, New Orleans, and Florida rap style variate in accents and lyrical content. Atlanta rap tends to be flashy with praise the praise of selling drugs and material things, known as the "Trap" and have thick southern accents with particular pronounciations on such words such can't would be pronounced "cain't". T and D are often pronounced heavily stressed. Snap music is simply from one part of Atlanta but does not represent the whole community. Memphis has a very serious and maleviolent tone of rap. Using criminal references and threatening lyrics with tones of cathcy rythms and influences of Blues in its music. Musical beats tend to have a anger like feel to them. Accents differ from Atlanta not by much. They are still thick of southern venacular but the vowels in words such as here or beer are pronounced hurr, burr with a slight faint of the vowel. New Orleans rap is all about the jewels, the clique, the glorious praise of the individual rapping. Accents are very unique and easily distinguished from Memphis or Atlanta, a loose a is added to the end of words and once again the urr is presents. Juveniles pronounciation of store would be "sto-yay". Florida can show many faces in Hip Hop since florida has little state culture due to man residents being from other parts of the country. Accents can differ from resembling that of an Atlantan's as trick daddy, to barely no accent at all. Florida hip hop is more of a dance type. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.99.142.106 (talk) 23:35, 17 December 2006 (UTC).

Yvonne Section

Why is there an enormous section about Yvonne McElveen? This doesn't at all seem necessary and gives a huge amount of emphasis to one person not given throughout the rest of the article. In addition, it's not Wikified. I deleted it but it was re-added. Cwilli201 05:34, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Shady?

What about Stat Quo and Bobby Creek? They're from Atlanta, aren't they? They should be added. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dlae (talk • contribs) 14:45, 2 February 2007 (UTC).

punchline rap

It should be mentioned tha souther rappers sometimes use a punchline style. What i mean by this is the way words are used. For example in Lil Wayne's song SportsCenter the song starts "I cover my track like butter so where the bread be/ i see beef as dead meat". Many southern rappers use that punchline style which emphasizes metaphors and similies. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Primetimeking (talk • contribs) 03:49, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

St. Louis is not Southern Rap. St. Louis is a midwestern city.

We need a Screwed Music article.

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This page is not harmful to Wikipedia, is not nonsensical, and is not a "biography of a living person". It should not be blanked. If it is blanked again, that would be just plain edit warring WP:EDITWAR.

lk (talk) 18:31, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

West Coast hip hop

I put that in there because southern artist barrows some of they sounds from them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.188.100.217 (talk) 00:33, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Needs work

To be blunt, this article sucks. The first section is fine, but the "Regional Scenes" section is an unreferenced disaster, and the "Notable Musicians" section refers to 4 categories that don't exist. As an example, the "Miami, Florida" subsection links to one other WP article that doesn't mention Florida at all. The whole section is filled with POV statements that could never be verified.

I'm going to make a fairly large change, removing this section and cleaning up the "Notable Musicians" section. Someone more familiar with the material should fill in some actual notable musicians along with some references. -- BillWeiss | Talk 18:05, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

It needs some pics, too.--Basstonic (talk) 23:11, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Houston

How is Houston not fully mentioned in the article? If it is somewhere else and I missed it and this is all a waste then sue me. However, Houston not being represented is like telling half the story. I am sure it has been documented by scholars and if it has not it should be. Houston hip hop reflects the soul and history of the south as well as the entire nation. Laboris Gloria Ludi. Houston rap should be represented in a scholarly manner. I am not profound in Wikipedia so I ask for help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Universe0707! (talk • contribs) 05:44, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

This Article Needs an Overhaul

I think we should start reworking this article. We need to come up with a coherent outline. I propose the following sections:

History/Origins Characteristics Regional Styles/Artists/Movements

  -Atlanta
  -New Orleans
  -Houston & Dallas
  -Tennessee
  -Miami

Influence — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexo Andros (talk • contribs) 19:23, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

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