Talk:South al-Mutlaa
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Need administrator help
editHello, we need administrator help in this article. It was nominated for deletion before but Wikipedia administrators voted against its deletion. Now someone is trying to delete the article by bypassing Wikipedia policies. Please help. The Wikipedia administrators should interfere in this matter because the User:Scope creep (who is not a Wikipedia administrator) is violating Wikipedia policies.
Where are the Wikipedia administrators? Please help protect this page from vandalism by User: Scope creep (User talk: Scope creep)
I am considering reporting the actions of User: Scope creep in the Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard because the article definitely needs the help of administrators. This user: Scope creep is not following Wikipedia policies and guidelines.
The user: Scope creep will now be reported in the Wikipedia administrator's noticeboard.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:1851:8004:A55:FCF7:5239:864C:9BC5 (talk) 21:13, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
Fate of the article
editThis is a continuation of the discussion at the Administrators noticeboard suggested by user:Elemimele. Thanks . Bidoon (talk) 15:57, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
- Both user:2A00:1851:8004:A55:FCF7:5239:864C:9BC5 and user:Bidoon have been blocked. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:57, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
- Okay, that's helpful to know. Is there anyone left unbanned who cares about the fate of this article? I'm half inclined to reduce it to a near-stub with a mere statement that it's being built, but I don't speak the language and Kuwait isn't my area of interest, so I am likely to miss good references. I don't think deletion is all that helpful because a project this size is obviously going to become a location sufficient to justify an article, but there's not going to be great stuff to write about the city until it's got residents. It's certainly over-referenced at the moment, but I'm not deleting until I've got time to check the refs. Elemimele (talk) 05:57, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
- This article got abandoned in a weird state following a disagreement between User:Scope creep and a number of editors most of whom seem to have since been banned. Scope creep's concern was that the article was over-promotional and possibly UPE, had been draftified by its reviewer, User:MrsSnoozyTurtle, but dumped back into main space without improvement. Since then, everyone with any interest in improving it seems to have got themselves banned following general drama at ANI. I've therefore taken the liberty of trimming the article down to bare essentials, and trying to clean up the references a bit. I'm sure this article will prove useful in the future, once this city has residents and things happening. I haven't cleaned references fully; there are still some, particularly in the info-box, that are routine press-release stuff. But I hope it's better, and more encyclopaedic in its current state. For this reason I have also removed the multiple issues tag. Please feel free to disagree, to reinstate tags, do whatever's necessary; this is not my area of expertise, but no one else was doing anything! Elemimele (talk) 09:25, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
- It is likely notable as it is too big a project not to be. However, the brochure advertisement wasn't, a simple PR effort to advertise it, wasn't and should be removed. It should be trimmed right back to the core, and left until another editor can create a natural article. scope_creepTalk 10:58, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
- Hello Elemimele. Thanks for doing the cleanup, that is a great improvement. I think it's nice and neutral now. Some more independent sources would be handy, so I've just added a tag for that. PS this is another example of shady behaviour relating to Kuwait New Vision, it seems like they have a dedicated Wiki-PR department... Regards, MrsSnoozyTurtle 01:13, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
- Good tag, MrsSnoozyTurtle, maybe someone who speaks Arabic will find something; otherwise no doubt once the city gets going, there will be proper independent stuff about it. Milton_Keynes is an interesting precedent. Elemimele (talk) 08:25, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
- This article got abandoned in a weird state following a disagreement between User:Scope creep and a number of editors most of whom seem to have since been banned. Scope creep's concern was that the article was over-promotional and possibly UPE, had been draftified by its reviewer, User:MrsSnoozyTurtle, but dumped back into main space without improvement. Since then, everyone with any interest in improving it seems to have got themselves banned following general drama at ANI. I've therefore taken the liberty of trimming the article down to bare essentials, and trying to clean up the references a bit. I'm sure this article will prove useful in the future, once this city has residents and things happening. I haven't cleaned references fully; there are still some, particularly in the info-box, that are routine press-release stuff. But I hope it's better, and more encyclopaedic in its current state. For this reason I have also removed the multiple issues tag. Please feel free to disagree, to reinstate tags, do whatever's necessary; this is not my area of expertise, but no one else was doing anything! Elemimele (talk) 09:25, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
- Okay, that's helpful to know. Is there anyone left unbanned who cares about the fate of this article? I'm half inclined to reduce it to a near-stub with a mere statement that it's being built, but I don't speak the language and Kuwait isn't my area of interest, so I am likely to miss good references. I don't think deletion is all that helpful because a project this size is obviously going to become a location sufficient to justify an article, but there's not going to be great stuff to write about the city until it's got residents. It's certainly over-referenced at the moment, but I'm not deleting until I've got time to check the refs. Elemimele (talk) 05:57, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
Hello scope_creep. I just saw what happened at AN/I, that was really unfair treatment towards you IMHO. Seems to be another case of some folks being more critical of those trying to do the right thing than they are of COI editors etc. I'd happily back you up there, but maybe it's best to let sleeping dogs lie? All the best, MrsSnoozyTurtle 21:39, 17 October 2021 (UTC)