Talk:South East Forests National Park

Requested move 22 November 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Not Moved. (non-admin closure) Turnagra (talk) 08:42, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

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South East Forests National Park → South East Forest National Park – The park's official website uses South East Forest National Park, without the s (see https://www.nationalparks.nsw.gov.au/visit-a-park/parks/south-east-forest-national-park) SHB2000 (talk) 12:37, 22 November 2021 (UTC) — Relisting. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 23:43, 29 November 2021 (UTC)— Relisting. —usernamekiran • sign the guestbook • (talk) 15:47, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Legal usage versus common usage

The legal name of the park is "South East Forest National Park", as specified in the Forestry Revocation and National Park Reservation Act 1996 as per section 8 of that Act of the New South Wales Parliament:

8 Alteration of names of certain national parks

The name of each of the following national parks is altered to South East Forest National Park with the intention that, on the commencement of this Act, each of the parks becomes part of that Park:

Bemboka National Park

Coolangubra National Park

Genoa National Park

Tantawangalo National Park

Yowaka National Park.

Because the Park was the amalgamation of several disjoint land areas, common useage pluralised "Forest"s. Also, some official in situ signage also pluralises "Forest"s.

Offical signage with the word "Forests".

Note that the pluralised form is in common useage. See here for example, which also includes a number of official New South Wales Government sites. And, see here for many sites which use both the singular and the plural including official Government sites!

So I think it comes down to common usage or legal usage?

Aoziwe (talk) 11:35, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

These guidelines/essays may be of help: Wikipedia:Article_titles#Use_commonly_recognizable_names, Wikipedia:Official_names. Sparkie82 (t•c) 01:20, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

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• Comment Whatever the outcome, the two versions perhaps need to be mentioned in the article. Aoziwe (talk) 11:35, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
  • No perhaps about it. Andrewa (talk) 18:37, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
• Not supported Keep as plural, based on essentially common usage and official usage, even if not technically legal usage. At most perhaps a redirect from the singular to the plurally titled article. And put a note about the legal name into the article. Aoziwe (talk) 04:50, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose. No case to answer. No valid rationale in the above anywhere. Please read WP:AT before raising or discussing a proposed article move. This is politely requested in many, many other places. Andrewa (talk) 18:37, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Other names

I see that this article has been moved at least once

 09:06, 23 December 2013‎ Viridae talk contribs block‎  62 bytes +62‎  Viridae moved page South East Forest National Park to South East Forests National Park: Both NSWPW and the environment department refer to this as south east forestS - as do the signs in the park themselves 

and I see that rationale as equally invalid as this one. But note above the reference to wp:official names. All unambiguous previous and current official names should have redirects to this article, and should be mentioned in it... well, there's no need to have both singular and plural versions in the article perhaps, but no reason not to have both redirects. This is both policy and commonsense. Andrewa (talk) 18:47, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.