Talk:Sophie Scholl/Archive 2

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Last Words

There seems to be some conflict of what her last words were. This article states they were "The sun still shines", but the White Rose page claims they were either "…your heads will fall as well" or "God, you are my refuge into eternity." I have know idea what they were, just thought that someone who does know could rectify this inconsistency. 71.93.44.175 09:27, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

She said "...your heads will fall as well" during her trial, adressing the court. So these were certainly not her last words, because she spoke to her parents as well as to Hans Scholl and Christoph Probst after the trial. --91.34.72.87 15:19, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Now this article says Scholl's last words were a long quote, but I cannot find the original German for this quote because all the German sites say her last words were only "Die Sonne scheint noch" ! A better source is needed. 71.221.252.98 (talk) 15:18, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

There are two versions presented here of Sophie Scholl's last words. The first, allegedly recorded by officials at her execution, appears to be a précis of the second, longer statement apparently recorded by Scholl's cellmate. This second seems an altogether more convincing scenario than the first. For what it is worth, I suspect a final statement 'from the scaffold' would neither have been invited nor remembered with such fluency.

This contradiction robs the article of authority and undermines the dignity with which Sophie Scholl faced her end. It should be reconciled.JF42 (talk) 22:09, 21 May 2017 (UTC)

Last words

Is Die letzten Tage a reliable source for her last words, or was that a dramatisation? I thought her last words were documented as (paraphrased) "your heads will also fall". In addition, isn't the profound Christian belief write-up slightly POV? Chris 11:20, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

I have no idea how to add this to the discussion, but I just want to say one thing: This incredible woman should be canonized as a saint. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.16.234.68 (talk) 07:57, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

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The Last Days

I'd like to add a clarification here to my recent deletion of a photo of 'Sophie Scholl' being 'strip searched by the Gestapo'. It is in fact a pirated photo taken from the film, Sophie Scholl - The Last Days. It can be found here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baRvF6ZBK18 at around, 30:13. I don't quite know how to delete the entire photo itself from Wikipedia. I've not been editing for a while. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Poppy Higgins (talk • contribs) 13:26, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

I’m sorry

I am sorry for my bad faith edit on this page at 15:18 on the 5th of December, 2018. I now know better and am on my way to become a better wikipedian. Link to my bad faith revision: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sophie_Scholl&oldid=prev&diff=872162291&diffmode=visual — Preceding unsigned comment added by Littlecat456 (talk • contribs) 11:18, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

Integrate at least one actual photo?

IIRC there used to be an actual photo of Sophie in the box? That might have been the one that fell victim to copyright issues a while back [1]. However, there's at least one usable and verified photo on Commons:

File:Sophie Scholl, Aufnahme Hans Scholl (Blumberg 1942).png

Not great quality, but more of a likeness than that bust (which is now used twice on the page). If not in the box, then maybe we could at least use it somewhere else in the text? --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 00:39, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

Death of a Nation mention

I find mention of the actress playing Sophie Scholl in "The Death of a Nation," an ahistorical propaganda film from the United States positing that the Democratic Party is parallel to Nazism, to be superfluous, given the relative importance of the film, as well as gravely offensive given Scholl's life's work. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:240:102:D40F:88EA:AC1A:FD51:10EF (talk) 18:05, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

There is no requirement that the noted film portrayals have to be eulogies, or even accurate. It's certainly a notable film, even if it is a piece of propagandist crap. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 18:11, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

Das Versprechen 197x

The first film was financed by the Bavarian state government and released in the 1970s, entitled Das Versprechen (The Promise).

Could this be improved? Date? imdb entry? Anything to suggest it really exists, no doubt it does, but no obvious traces are easily found...

87.113.11.190 (talk) 19:17, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

The Movie "Das Versprechen" is a different movie which NOT about the Weiße Rose. Probably you mean the 1971 movie "Der Pedell", which is an old-fashioned designation for the maintenance man in Universities. It is a movie about the maintenance man of the Munich university who observed the Scholl siblings distributing the flyers and who reported them to the GeStaPo. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WernerBln (talk • contribs) 15:12, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

This seems to be a mixup of two different movies. The first movie about the White Rose was Der Pedell. I have updated the paragraph. --NiTen (talk) 00:08, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

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Cleanup and rewrite

This article is a real mess, with links and content duplicated every other paragraph, with diversions and tangents away from the biographical subject, and the most important and significant material buried where readers can’t find it. Viriditas (talk) 23:29, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Wrong link to Elisabeth Scholl

The link goes to another Elisabeth Scholl, not her sister. Please check. 2.205.219.240 (talk) 11:01, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

I've de-wikilinked that. Please correct that if I've made a mistake. See also this. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 11:10, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

Training as a nurse

In the movie and on several websites, there is mention of her having been trained as a nurse. Can this be confirmed? If so, it should surely be listed as part of her education. This would have impacted (as the movie implies) on her attitudes towards the murder of the mentally disabled children. Kmasters0 (talk) 16:19, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

@Kmasters0, Sophie Scholl trained as a kindergarten teacher, and studied biology and philosophy at the Ludwig Maximilian University. as far as I know, she never trained as a nurse. Her mother was a nurse, and that was where she learned of the killing of disabled children (see Inge Scholl, The White Rose, Page 38.) Weissepedia (talk) 04:20, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Sabotage is not non-violent

The article says she was part of “White Rose non-violent resistance movement in Nazi Germany.” I’m not so sure about the nonviolent part. Some of their leaflet advocated sabotage. If no one objects I will remove this wording. --S.dedalus (talk) 21:38, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

I object. They clearly advocated non-violent resistance. They were not partisan fighters nor did they call for the assassination of Hitler or any other figure. Likewise, groups like Ploughshares today are defined as non-violent though they advocate sabotage of military equipment. 210.50.56.61 (talk) 09:03, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

@S.dedalus While they where prepared to become violent, (ie, Hans carrying a loaded gun during the graffiti campaigns, or Sophie saying to her friend, "If I saw Hitler right now and I had a gun I would shoot him...If a man is unable or unwilling to do so a woman must do it", they never actually became non-violent, so I would consider them a non-violent resistance movement. Weissepedia (talk) 04:24, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

They began as a passive group and then took part in mild sabotage by de-facing Nazi signs, posters and writing graffiti on walls. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.146.244.240 (talk) 11:55, 9 February 2009 (UTC)