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There is no such thing as the Prussian royal family
Latest comment: 4 years ago12 comments9 people in discussion
The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Comment - I sympathize with those who pointed out in the AfD discussion that Prussia no longer exists, and therefore there isn't any state for her to be a 'Princess' of and so on. However, this is the name under which she is represented in the sources that support her biographical article remaining here. Sure, it may be possible to use her pre-marital name Princess Sophie von Isenburg, or even just call her Sophie von Isenburg, but I don't think this would be a satisfactory reflection of her representation by sources. The fact is, she calls herself the Princess of Prussia, and is referred to as such by sources. I'd support something in the lead section pointing out to any casual readers that Prussia is not a existing entity over which her family rules. Having said all that, the WP policy seems to be fairly clear on this matter - don't use defunct titles. WP:Naming conventions (royalty and nobility). Although maybe the wording of the policy has some ambiguity- this comment has been long enough though.JohnmgKing (talk) 07:55, 10 June 2020 (UTC)Reply
That naming convention was added recently with no consensus as far I can see. As you rightly say she calls herself the Princess of Prussia, sources support that usage as is common for deposed royals. The trouble when we move away from sources we engage in Orginal Research, speculating on what someone’s “legal surname” is which as I see it would not be acceptable in a BLP. dwc lr (talk) 08:07, 10 June 2020 (UTC)Reply
Thanks for letting me know the policy was added without consensus. On balance I think changing the name creates more problems than it solves. JohnmgKing (talk) 08:25, 10 June 2020 (UTC)Reply
Oppose. Per the above discussion, but I would support adding something to the lead section making clear that Princess Sophie is not a member of a ruling royal family, and that Prussia is no more, as this is not currently obvious to someone having a casual glance at the article.JohnmgKing (talk) 08:24, 10 June 2020 (UTC)Reply
Comment. I can neither support nor oppose a move to a title that has not been suggested. From what I can see, the present title reflects her common name, so it is supported by policy. That this title is poppycock should be made clear in the article. Surtsicna (talk) 15:28, 10 June 2020 (UTC)Reply
Oppose move per WP:COMMONNAME. As far as I can see, all that really needs to be done here is to rewrite the lead to include a direct link to Prussia. That article makes it plainly clear that the nation hasn't existed since 1947. Ejgreen77 (talk) 06:52, 11 June 2020 (UTC)Reply
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Latest comment: 3 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion
The German Revolution removed both the royal title and the Kingdom of Prussia. COMMONNAME is a style guide, NPOV is canonical policy; we cannot be seen to have articles on real people which support fictional titles related to coutnries that nmo longer exist, that is an absurdity (as noted above). COMMONNAME cannot trump NPOV. No fictional royalty, thanks. Guy (help!) 09:14, 10 July 2020 (UTC)Reply
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