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Four Playable Characters

Just the way that everyone keeps on thinking in their heads that 'four-player' capabilities, means that there MUST be four playable characters. No, I'm not one of the idiots who think that Sonic, Shadow, and Silver are the only playable characters. Actually, I'm more curious as to WHY everyone tries to limit it straight down to four and end it there. They don't even think of the possibility that there could be MORE than just four, and many places heavily hinted and many more characters than just the current confirmed ones. I don't expect every character to be playable in story mode, and I also don't expect a ton, but I do expect at least one more story character (though I'm betting that both Tails and the fourth hedgehog are playable in the story), and I also expect to be able to unlock other characters whom aren't playable in story mode, but are playable anywhere else. It's sad to see so many people try and limit it straight at four, when it's highly probable, and mostlikely, NOT going to happen. For those who are curious about what this relates to the article, it's stuff all over talking about four playable characters, but what mainly set me off was in Tails' profile. I'm not sure if the rest is still there or not, but Tails' profile is what brought this back up for me. --Ultimate 20:19, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Good point. Even in Sonic Adventure 2 Battle there were other characters not even included in the story at all. It was also only 2 players to be played but were 6 extra characters. It depends on who you choose. Axidous 10, July 2006

Yuji Naka

From my understanding, I believe Naka stated that he's staying with Sonic Team even with Prope being founded. The IGN article mearly suggests Naka is forming the company, yet staying with Sonic Team. It could be just another branch off of Sega.--Redrapper 02:07, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

It doesn't matter WHAT Yuji Naka is doing, Shun Nakamura is the one developing the game. However, just a few pointers. Yuji Naka is the leader of PROPE, but PROPE and SEGA will still keep ties with each other--for example, SEGA will help fund them. --Ultimate 14:34, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Rosxs 16 July- In this game magazine I read it said that Yuji Naka will be leaving Sonic team! Will there be anymore sonic games afterwards?

Well, yeah. This Sonic game is already finished but isn't out yet, it's true, but there's that other sonic game, Sonic Wildfire, which is still a working tittle so it's not finished and is still being made. Can't say it just won't happen cuase it's already on the main sites and there's already gameplay footage. Beside, I'm sure that new guy would definately want to be the one to continue something so great like Sonic. I mean, the Sonic Mario game hasn't officially been made yet. Why is it so hard for them. Do they want it to be way cooler than other Mario games with other characters in it? Axidous 16, July, 2006

No, no, no, this game is NOT finished. It's only 40% complete, but the main bulk--the more difficult parts, have been completed. Yuji Naka also is NOT developing this game, so it doesn't matter if he leaves. Shun Nakamura isn't developing the game. Yuji has already been replaced as head of Sonic Team, but I forget the name of the new developer. No, this will not be SEGA's last game, and nor will Wildfire. We still are waiting for Sonic Riders 2 to be announced, for one. --Ultima 14:06, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, waiting. We don't know if there actually will be a Sonic Riders 2. We know Jet might come back ,they have a thing about swaring a return but don't come back, but the next time we see them it's possible it'll be in a way where we can see what they can do without their boards. They're birds so they've gotta fly somehow. Plus in the forest he did jump pretty high. Though the whole thing about Sonic 2k6 being only 40% finished, I heard that a long time ago. I first heard of the game when I first heard of Shadow the Hedgehog game. Then I found out about Sonic Rush and Sonic Riders. This was all around April and May last year. If they're still only 40% done even since then well then I think that took way too long and even if the rest is easier then it doesn't seem like it would come out this year, which it is. Besides I though Nakamura was the replacement. Axidous 17, July

"Nova"

Gamefaqs really isn't that great of a source...so it should be taken out until an OFFICIAL (Not a Forum) source is found.Sukecchi 20:03, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Just what was going to post. While we have more solid proof that some of this information (Blaze the Cat being in the game, etc), what proof do we have at all that the "Nova the Hedgehog is orange and crystaline" is actually, factual evidence? Not only that, but from what I've heard, the same person who told us about "Nova" and "her" appearance also "leaked" the ending to the game - which sounds really, really, really, really hard to swallow (stuff like Knuckles dying, and Blaze the Cat attempting self-mutilation, and other even more stuff that sounds like it's out of some 13 year old's bad fanfiction). Until somebody can better prove to me that the Gamefaqs information is true, I'm going to remove it. BlazeHedgehog 12:26, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Knuckles dying? I thought they were talking about Amy (someone mentioned that the character was originally called 'Princess Sally'--which isn't actually true, the U.S. version of Sonic CD only mentions Sally, but people did think that they had always been refering to Amy). Okay, NOW this sounds like a pack of lies. Revealing some info is one thing, revealing the ending and crap like Knuckles dying and Blaze attempting self-mutilation? I WAS going to give this kid the benefit of a doubt on the Nova thing, but now I'm completely dumping it. Self-mutilation would probably get this game an M rating, while SEGA would only go for E-10+ max. I was simply going to post that we shouldn't list it because it was unconfirmed, but now I'm highly doubting the Nova thing altogether. --Ultimate 14:26, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Ooh, I just noticed something else, too. He was stating that Knuckles died? That's not possible. Silver first comes to the past in THIS game, right? Well, Silver is also in Sonic Rivals, and Knuckles is in Sonic Rivals, too. Knuckles CAN'T die, or else he couldn't be in Sonic Rivals. This disproves one thing that he said, and turns him into an unreliable source due to lying. None of his info can be taken for granted. --Ultimate 14:32, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Knuckles? Dying?

Blaze? Attempting self-mutilation? DO NOT WANT --Alexie 20:21, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

My mistake, guys. Blaze didn't attempt self-mutilation - it was Elise. Personally, I did not view the gamefaqs topic itself, only the discussion surrounding it - and of those topics discussed was Knuckles being killed and Elise cutting herself. Apparently, looking at the discussion now, Elise and even Blaze die. It all sounds very ludicrious and "bad fanfiction" doesn't even begin to describe it. Knuckles exchanges "soul code" with Sonic? What the hell is that? BlazeHedgehog 22:21, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Whatever it is, it's a lie. Nice piece of fiction there, but it can't fit into the Sonic series. Two things--both related to 'Knuckles dieing. 1: Knuckles can't die in this game. Plain and simple, if he dies in this game, he can't make his appearance in Sonic Rivals. Also, according to that storyline, Knuckles not only dies but it's also in the ending. If someone had saved him before he died, that'd be one thing, but he actually dies and ISN'T saved. 2: Fanbase. Knuckles is among the top five Sonic characters (and if I'm calculating this correctly, he's right below Sonic and Shadow--Sonic actually beating out Shadow), so if Knuckles died the fanbase would be hit tremendously. SEGA wouldn't just go out and kill one of their most popular characters! (Highly probably a reason why Shadow hasn't died yet.) We can safely throw this garbage in the trash and be done with it. --69.210.102.109 00:50, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Though as being main characters it goes in order like this: Sonic, Eggman/Robotnik, Tails, Knuckles, Amy, and Shaodw. Sonic and Eggman are pretty much equal as Sonic is the main main character and Eggman is the main bad guy no matter how many times he helps out Sonic. Tails is the number one sidekick, and Knuckles (even if he does have a rivalry with Sonic) is the second most important sidekick, most loyal, gaurdian of the master emerald, and third most main hero. Amy follows everywhere and sometimes helps out. Shadow, good or evil, is the one who is considered to be best at being Sonic's rival look-a-like, though isn't usually seen speaking with anyone but Sonic, Eggman, and Rouge. It's Sonic, Tails, and Knuckles. The main team of heroes to face Eggman and other enemeis that come their way. Also, besides Shadow and Eggman, are the fastest running characters in the series. Eggman is seen runnig at high speed throughout the series. Sonic the hedgehog 2, near the end. Sonic and Knuckle, also near the end. Sonic Adventure 2 and 2 Battle, in chao world. In Sonic Riders, when off board. In some comics too. Axidous 10, July 2006

Eggman's "running speed" isn't canon. They have to make him fast in order to catch up with everyone else, but he really isn't canonically that fast. Other than that, you're info is accurate. Usually, though, one would also add in Rouge and Cream after Shadow. This is due to the fact that they are well-known, and high-used characters, also. --Ultima 22:12, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

But we all know that Sonic and Eggman are the main characters of them all. Technically Eggman can run that fast, if he wanted to. In almost, repeat, almost all the cartoons I've seen Eggman runs fast once in a while. It would be kinda hard to draw Eggman running fast in Sonic X without it looking funny because of how tall he is and the way he's shaped, plus it's an anime. Most animes seem to have a somewhat stiff sensation. Like how when they talk the stand so still or if something shy, or stupid happens they smile while holding their hands up with their eyes closed. Probably why the animation of Shadow running in Sonic X isn't as good. notice he also runs in wierd different ways throughout the series. I liked hoe he ran in Adventure 2. He was cool, his voice was at best, and was calm, in that game. Now at some points he actually looks like a homosexual hanging with a slut who can't get none. Axidous 16, July 2006

Shadow the Iblis Trigger?

in the rumours it says shadow has been confirmed to be the Iblis Trigger but wer did you get this info from? cos i aint beilivin it untill i see a trust worthy website saying so

A number of sites have already been told that Sonic is the Iblis Trigger. The one who said Shadow is, is probably just pulling a prank.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.191.20.77 (talk • contribs) 22:05, 17 May 2006

I removed it (and the info about Silver being voices by some 'Pete Capella'). NOTHING has stated that Shadow is the Iblis Trigger. Oh, and it wasn't in the rumors section. Everything has pointed to Sonic being the Iblis Trigger, and nothing has even been STATED about Shadow in the game (except that he'll be able to use military vehicles). --Ultimate 15:40, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

That "Pete Capella" thing reappeared. I re-deleted it. (That's not a word...) 86.143.156.110 21:56, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Pete Capella says on his Myspace that he infact voices Silver, and IMDB confirms that he's an actor within the industry. I am re-adding it. BlazeHedgehog 22:26, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Ah, right, sorry about that. 86.143.156.110 22:38, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Um, there's no entry on IMDB for him. At least, not any more. 195.195.83.121 10:16, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

What's this, then? BlazeHedgehog 02:50, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

That's his page, but Sonic isn't mentioned anywhere on it. (Ah right, I misunderstood you.) BrokenBeta [talk · contribs] 13:24, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

oh it was in known features? oops lol and it came as a bit of a shocked to me when it sayed that he was... duno why but my heart just jump =|

Maybe cite it in the article, Blaze? Emcee N 01:25, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Bah, that news post was SOOO unrealistic. He may be the voice of Silver, but from his typing on MySpace, he sounds like a total n00b. Even if that's not the case, people can lie and say that they do something. If his name appears in the credits for the game, then we can safely assume that "Pete Capella" is the voice of Silver. Silver still sounds too much like Jason Griffith, though. --Ultimate 21:38, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

I agree that a MySpace page hardly counts towards verifiability, and I've added a "citation needed" mark after Capella's bit in the hope that something can be done about it. BrokenBeta [talk · contribs] 12:15, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

It's worth noting, however, that quite a few celebrities and the like do have MySpace accounts. It was a popular fad for a while to see famous bands have a MySpace account. It'd be kind of weird to pose as a relatively unknown actor like Pete Capella, especially like this. The info on his MySpace matches the info on his IMDB profile, which, as I said, would kind of be weird to fake. While I agree that there is a possibility it could be fake, I am leaning towards "probably true", and it's the most solid evidence we have on anybody voicing Silver. BlazeHedgehog 07:14, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Rosxs 16 July- I don't know, it ight be Shadow. He is supposed to be the ultimate lifeform. And I read about a week ago in a games magazine that when Eggman kiddnaps the princess, Sonic comes to help but is stoped by Silver who claims him to be the trigger. That might mean that it's Sonic, but I'm really not sure.I think the trigger might be Shadow because loads of the characters always get Sonic and Shadow confused in the old games like Sonic Adventure 2. That could explain what Shadow's purpose in the game is.

If you ask me Shadow's kinda funny. He acts all serious but things he says and does show him making fun of stuff. In Shadow the Hedgehog when you get hit he says "Dammit." and when you die he says "Damn. Not here.". It's like he's looking for the truth to his past but all he's thinking when he gets hit is "Well that's some shit. I'm supposed to be the ultimate". Plus, now that he's figured out his past he's a lot more calm. His mission is complete(both of them). So he knows to move on and now he's just another character. But it's kinda funny that he cares so much about Sonic being better. Probably jealous cause he can't break the sound barrier. Anyways, the Iblis trigger seems not to be important to them. All they care about is stopping it. Why did Silver stay in the past? What if Silver in Sonic Rivals is actually Present Silver but after those races he had to go to the past to before he met Sonic (probably just a few week ago) and the one from the future is just the side affec? Wow. Sorry that's a lot of Hoo-Ha I wrote there. Axidous 16, July 2006

Rosxs 5/8/06- lol He probably is jealous of Sonic because sonic has had more games!

Silver?

Where did this Silver name come from? Is there an official source of it or what? Sukecchi 15:21, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

I too would like to know where this came from. So far, his name has not been revealed and is purely speculation. Infact, until there is a source on where it came from, I will revert it... BlazeHedgehog 16:12, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/706/706097p1.html Says his name is Silver...so I guess it's true. I'll add it back.Sukecchi 20:31, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

It's just a fan giving the white hedgehog a nick name, the same way we call it white.

>x<ino 16:50, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

IGN called it Silver. We can't tell if it's true or not, but considering the other playable hedgehogs in the game (Sonic and Shadow) they may have wanted him to coincide with them, and have three playable hedgehogs starting with the letter 'S.' According to IGN, Silver (as they call him) is traveling through time to stop Sonic. Considering past dealings with various gamesites like IGN and Gamespot, like in Shadow the Hedgehog (they kept on saying that it took place fifty years after SA2, and that Shadow crash-landed onto an alien planet) it could very well be inaccurate info. I say we wait until claiming it official, but don't just ignore it. IGN may have recieved exclusive info on the game. --Ultimate 20:33, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

The same way people here got the name confused with the move "Breakdancing". IGN is using a fancy nickname. That might not be the name, the same goes to Gamespot. Giving the move a Ninja style. Don't worry, e3 isn't over yet. More details will be reveal. Lets not jump into thoughs!

>x<ino 02:21, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, guys, my bad. I was the guy who put that in the article in the first place; I'm kinda new to editing Wikipedia (but not new to the whole Sonic the Hedgehog series). First, I forgot to cite myself (didn't know how) and then I had this information added without saying that it was still speculation. As far as I can tell, the info is correct; the name makes sense, and while some details on IGN may be wrong, I don't recall them making a mistake on a name, especially for a player character. Besides, Ultima, Shadow the Hedgehog is not really that great of an example; the story may have been like that when it was first reported, and most people think it's a royal piece of junk in its final form. So in short, I'm new (and sorry for the trouble), Silver came from a (sometimes) credible source, and it's at least something better than everyone calling it the "white hedgehog". Hey, sorry this was long, but like I said, I'm new here. Patience will be greatly appreciated. Thanks. I.M.Fearless 13:52, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Personally speaking, I'd feel much more comfortable if another website besides IGN said his name was Silver. For example, IGN also said Sonic's height was 5'10" (almost taller than I am!) - a few other websites I've read on this game seem to state otherwise, that Sonic is the same height he's always been (3'11"). If somebody like Gamespot or 1up.com mentions his name is Silver, then I'll conceed. Oh, and also: Welcome to Wikipedia! :D BlazeHedgehog 14:35, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

If other website calls the white hedgehog Silver, then it is official! This game is now the anticipated game! Its the number one! SOnic must have owned Mario hard this time:P

[1] It's definitely official, the sega.com gamepage is up, and it calls him 'Silver' there. --Ultimate 18:59, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

So I was right, huh? Cool. Back on topic, what was that about Silver being able to fly? Where did someone read that?

P.S. Blaze: Thanks! I've been wanting to do this for a while, but now that school's almost over for the semester, hopefully I get to show up more often. Plus, it's fun doing this right as the news is coming out. I.M.Fearless 20:26, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Silver can use his powers to lift himself off the ground. It only works temporarily, though. --Ultimate 14:42, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

So I was right, huh? Cool. lol..:P

>x<ino 15:04, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Rumour

I dunno about you wiki users, but it seems to me, nor of you know what "fact"/ is!? Because a on one of the rumour as been there since ages, and still hasn't been dealt with! I am the one that added the fact to that note.

Originally, the game's designers were considering giving Sonic fur or individually animated spines, but this idea was dropped in favor of a more traditional Sonic.[citation needed] Where is the source to that!? But when I add something like that, they all chat crap and revert my edits going on about it. That note needs a reference, source, link, site. What ever they call it, it needs proof!.

Now moving on to the main event! Has Blaze was saying before, that Wiki suppose to be a encyclopedia where it can be updated daily. yes that is true! But we do needs proof and info that happens around us. Escpecially Rumours. When adding a rumour, we just don't add a rumour we think or it is opionionated. The rumour as to be from a website(not a forum!), magazine, internet/community or people/gamers! If we just add a rumour we agree in, like agree in the talk page, then that is alright. But a single user/person adding a rumour is wrong, because it is almost asif that user wants to spread the rumour. That is how rumour suddenly starts!

Yes the rumour we do have there are all good and sited, accept for the "fur" one.

• A scan of a brochure Sega was to hand out at E3 features a "PC" Icon next to the logos for the Playstation 3 and Xbox 360. However, as of yet, no PC version has been officially announced.Like I mentioned above, we can only add rumours, whereas it as been mentioned many times by gamers around the internet, magazine, people or websites! We saw a damn poster, which is 100% edited!
  • The editor, wanted to spread a rumour to make gamers think this game is coming for the pc.

But have you heard anybody say this game is coming out for the PC? accept for us?

• • The background: the background looks like the stage in wide cannon, from Shadow The Hedgehog. The second stage, Black Doom teleports Shadow to a Cannon and wakes up.
  • As I.M.Fearless said in the PC VERSION Section: that Shadow looks like he as been ripped off something (copied and pasted). Like his right hand seems to be holding a gun before, but cancelled out.
  • Silver's original and main skin is White, resembling the name Silver! When Silver uses his powers, his powers gloves, with a shiny line glows. While using his powers, his skin changes, from white to green/gold. I have seen all in-gameplay videos provided by gamespot and didn't see anyhere Silver changing his skin from white to blue!

Anybody can edit a picture too good! It will look real, here is an example: too bad the image got deleted. It was a picture of Spiderman taking off his mask, when confronted by Harry. It was from Spiderman 2. But that editor edited too good, it look so much like the Venom custome even painted Peter's eyes like he has the venom power!

• It has been speculated that the as-of-yet unknown fourth playable character may be Metal Sonic, or Super Sonic.

First of all, this isn't a big deal! Like I said before, we need to see who is talking about the rumour, is it coming from gamers on the internet, magazine, website, community? We can't add a rumour because we believe one person might be right!:/ But yes, those rumour might be ok, because there are some rumours that don't really need to be in-spread. However: why do Super Sonic want to be the fourth player, Super Sonic is Sonic and comes from Sonic. Metal Sonic is bad, and created by Eggman. This game features hedgehogs, Sonic, Shadow and Silver: Blue, Black & White! That's the way it goes.

Find me proof that the PC logo was edited in. It looks real enough to me and it contained legitimate information that was leaked before it was posted publically. For all intents and purposes, the image is real - why would anybody edit something like that? If it was a hoax, the whole picture would be hoaxed, not a tiny little icon. Games like Billy Hatcher, and Sonic Heroes got PC ports, too, with next to no announcements about them. It's very likely it's the same thing here. BlazeHedgehog 21:13, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Why da hell should I find you a proof? GROW UP. You are acting like a damn kid. I have already prove all my might that it isn't comfirmed for PC yet. STOP ARGUGING! No damn website said anything about it coming to PC, accept for the idiot putting down PC!

:Find me proof that the PC logo was edited in [2],[3],[4] this is enough, I have proved my point! And where is a proof[5]Scroll dowm from there you will see several logos for consoles and handheld. From there you will see PC logo, there are two for PC. one is PC/CD and the other is PC/DVD...so since when did SEGA put down PC? If you havn't or that is your first time seeing PC logo. I suggest you start buying PC games!

It looks real enough to me and it contained legitimate information that was leaked before it was posted publicallyYou must be blind son....cuz if you look closier you can see a shadow above the text. The logo is even bigger than xbox live and ps3!Again, this poster wasn't even showed at E3!

For all intents and purposes, the image is real - why would anybody edit something like that?The same way, some one edited a picture of Spiderman 2, and made it look like it is Spiderman 3. When Sony havn't began filming.

If it was a hoax, the whole picture would be hoaxed, not a tiny little iconYou are rubbish in arguging! Here are the list that as been changed upon the picture

• Silver skin is blue
• Shadow is standing in an unsual way!
• The PC logo as been included
• We can see Silver and Sonic's shadow..what about Shadow's?
• What about the unsual background!

Games like Billy Hatcher, and Sonic Heroes got PC ports, too, with next to no announcements about them. It's very likely it's the same thing hereYes, even Sonic Adventure DX got ported to PC. But the games were released to console first. This damn game isn't even release yet, no one is talking about this game coming to PC. Not even Gamespot or IGN, accept for people at Sonic Staduim and us

Stop complaining, this image is edited. And no matter how many times you or anyone els add if this game is coming to pc, I will always revert it! I have proved all my points.

>x<ino 14:35, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

You're the one starting arguments, man. I'm just responding to them. Your reasoning does not hold up whatsoever. Silver is blue? Look at their gloves. Those are blue, too. It's called: A bad scan. It happens. Not everybody has an expensive scanner, and not everybody knows how to scan images properly. Can't see Shadow's shadow? The sun is coming down from the top right of the image - if you look under Shadow's foot on the bottom left, you can see his shadow there. The background is Crisis City with depth of field blurring. Are you even trying to be reasonable at all? It's not even a poster! It's a brochure! You know, a pamphlet. Part of a press kit. It's very possible that the PC version is being kept under a Non-disclosure agreement. Just because it hasn't been announced doesn't mean this image has to be edited! And your reason for it appearing to be edited? That's called a JPEG artifact. It happens when you use a variant of the the MPEG compression format. BlazeHedgehog 17:10, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

How come you are the only one disagreeing with this!? Why don't you listen!? Did or Have you heard IGN, Gamespot, Mobo, Gamespy, 1up or Edge mention anything about this game coming to PC? Where els have you seen this picture apart from Sonic Stadium?

Bad scan!? So..the idiot scanned the images and the whole skin turned blue? (rolls eyes). It doesn't matter if is a brochue catalog or leaflet what so ever, it is edited!

All the point you are giving me is good but doesn't work with this image!

• Bad Scan

Is when you receive crappy image, images that you can't tell what a text is or colours that looks sloppy. But that colour my friend is fine, if its a bad scanning on Silver's colour then it should happen to Sonic's and Shadow's

• Compression artifact

You are really not making a point! If this image is a bad compression, how come we can all see the text, details, colours ect!?

Face it, I will keep on reverting you ontil you find me a bigger proof. And are you even the one that added the image to this article in the first place!? List me some websites that also displays this image!

>x<ino 18:43, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Look, I don't even know what your problem is, Xino. Your reasoning is, "It's edited because I say it's edited." - and yet, the reasons you think it's edited are completely false! You're just assuming! Because, you know, somebody out there just happened to get their hands on OFFICIAL ARTWORK for the game, OFFICIAL ARTWORK displayed on the Sega.com website, nearly a WEEK before E3 started, and decided to put in a little tiny "PC" logo just to fool everybody into thinking... what? That's the worst excuse I've ever heard in my entire life. And to top it all off, it's not as if what I said makes it sound as if there is even going to be a PC version! I say, "No PC version has been announced." - But no, you're Xino, everything's gotta be your way or no way. That is against Wikipedia guidelines, Xino. If you want to continue editing articles on Wikipedia for the forseeable future, you should honestly reconsider your actions towards others people's edits, because it would seem that many people are getting fed up with your pushy attitude. Like I said before, I'm a nice guy, Xino, and I'm willing to work with you as long as you are reasonable. "It is edited, because I say it is edited, and I will revert anything you do to say otherwise" is not reasonable. BlazeHedgehog 14:34, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

I don't care if you think I am using cheap excuses to back up my notes or not! You are missing the big point! You are not providing evidence to back up your note! I have done mine already, listed out all the points that made the picture a editive! You brag on about the picture being made by Sega, even giving me a cheap link [6], whereas the promo picture isn't even there:/ You said the official artwork...so where is it in the website?

I am saying the picture got edited, adding a PC logo to it! Game isn't coming out for PC nor comfrimed for it yet! Yes everything as to be my way, cuz I make things easier and better when I start to edit articles. I tell people what to do, cuz I know what I am doing! RandyWang can't still see that but make people believe what he thinks about me! Yes you are a nice guy (that's all they all say), you are willing to work with me!? Then start by cooperating with me!

>x<ino 15:13, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

But Xino, if you don't care what I think, why should I care what you think? As far as I am concerned, you failed to disprove what I originally said about the image. Your logic does not work in this reguard. Look at the header image for the game on Sega's official website, and then look at the supposed "Edited" brochure - the artwork used for Sonic is the exact same image. Are you going to tell me Sega hoaxed the PC icon themselves, now? Or are you going to say that somebody magically happened to get their hands on official artwork for the game before E3 started, and hoaxed the image themselves? How is even at all remotely possible that this image could be hoaxed? The brochure scan was the first image we ever saw of Silver, and outside of the color being off (which, like I said, happens very often with poor quality scans), he looks exactly the same as he does in the game. The brochure scan was also the first time we learned Shadow would be a part of the game as well. There is no way that image could just be a coincidence. Nobody stumbles upon information like that out of random chance. Nor would anybody go through the immense effort it would take to steal artwork like that and change it just so they could add a tiny little "PC" icon for no real reason. In the face of this, where is your proof, Xino? How could this have been hoaxed if it was the first time we saw this information, information that turned out to be legitimate? Is this how you "help" Wikipedia articles? This is the exact opposite of help, and is the entire reason people are lodging complaints against you. BlazeHedgehog 15:57, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

You are a waste of my time, trust me. I will keep on reverting you if you keep adding that "rumour" thing. Because the image showed at SEGA website, obviously the use can merge the damn image together! The website clearly shows Xbox 360 & PS3 without the logo. You are not making sense. It isn't a rumour! No damn people are talking about this game being released for the pc, either in forums or messageboards. You are the one trying to spread this cheap hoax. The image is edited!

• Changed coloured and it isn't a bad scan!
• Added a PC logo, whereas PC logo are normall black & white: PC|CD or PC|DVD. If that is how the PC logo should be how come that is how xbox 360 & ps3 logo looks like the exact!?

Stop complaining or trying to spread rumour. This game isn't coming out for pc nor comfrimed for it! No one is talking about the game being made for the PC.

>x<ino 20:50, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

I appreciate it when you completely ignore my points and make a physical effort to sidestep my reasoning just so you can be right. It's okay to admit your wrong, dude, if that's what you're afraid of. But hey, I'm done arguing. The wikipedia staff will eventually take care of this whole mess one way or the other. BlazeHedgehog 01:02, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

lol...You still don't get it do you!? I know what I am doing! First of all, the reason I am reverting this edit so called rumour: Is because it isnt a rumour! Rumour is when people talk about something that isn't true, something that was spread by 1 person and millions are talking about it. That is what a rumour is!

I don't care if that picture is edited or not! What I am concerned is that there is a PC logo which looks odd than the PS3 & 360's logo. Again that isn't how PC logo looks like! I have already proven my points and gave links to how PC logo looks like! Again, no one, I mean NO ONE is talking about if this game is coming to PC. Like I explained before what a rumour is: a fake info that isn't true, was spread by 1 person and millions of people talking about it. Have you heard anybody talk about this game coming to PC, I have asked you this question in my replies! Still no answer! IGN, Gamespot, Sonic websites, fansites, other websites, magazines or forum, have you heard any info about this game coming to PC from them? NO! If that image was from SEGA, which I know it is, but was edited, how come Sonic Staduim are the only one that have that solid picture!? So you are telling me, cuz that image got leaked from them, SEGA decided not to display that image!?

Blaze you really need to give me 1 big detail and reason why I should leave this info as a rumour. Because you are not giving me a hint of a detail and why

• A promo scan from SEGA was suppose to be showed at E3, how come Sonic Staduim are the only one to have the image?
• How come no one is talking about this game being ported to PC?
• How come we can't see any other places that have this particular promo poster!?

The picture is real, yes, but it as been edited, it is a hoax trying to spread a rumour, trying to start a rumour!

AlL you have to do is:

1. Give me several websites that also have that particular promo picture
2. Proof that the image isn't edited by give me a source where people are actually talking about it coming to PC

>x<ino 01:23, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Here Blaze...I already gave out this link before, dunno if you saw it, but. This is my final proof and answer that the image was 100% edited[7] No more please, it isn't a rumour it is edited, a hoax and trying to spread a rumour from Wikipedia!

>x<ino 01:46, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

How is that evidence for anything? I've linked the American page for Sonic 2k6 several times and it doesn't list anything for the PC there, either. What's your point? Just because Sega hasn't announced it yet doesn't mean Sega won't announce it. Considering past trends with Sonicteam games, It is very, very likely Sonic 2k6 will see a PC port some time in the future. Sonic 2, Sonic 3, Sonic & Knuckles, Sonic CD, Sonic R, Sonic Adventure DX, Sonic Heroes, Phantasy Star Online, Phantasy Star Universe, Billy Hatcher and Sonic Gems Collection Plus all saw PC ports. It would not surprise me if in the near future, Shadow the Hedgehog has a PC port announced. You clearly seemed to gloss over the fact of what an NDA is: It's a little piece of paper journalists have to sign that says, "You know information that cannot be released publically until we say you can." - When Sonic 2k6 was shown at E3 last year, no magazines and no websites reported on it. Did that make this game a hoax? Of course not. We had footage that it existed. Could the footage have been faked? Yes. But it wasn't. And the game itself was not officially announced until 4 months later. We have a similiar situation here, Xino: We have a scan that proves something exists; a scan Sega of a booklet Sega handed out at E3. Advanced information that professional magazines and websites aren't allowed to tell us about yet. Could it have been hoaxed? Maybe. But as I've repeatedly said, and you've repeatedly ignored, it is very unlikely it could have been hoaxed. The only way to have gotten the artwork and the information that scan contained, before E3 started, would have been to work for Sega themselves, and I doubt anybody at Sega has any reason to hoax something like this. Go ahead and conduct your poll, go ahead and do whatever you wish if you feel people will side with you. I do not fear the results. As I said, I have left notes with Wikipedia staff asking for a third opinion on this subject for that very same reason, and I eagerly await their intervention. BlazeHedgehog 02:55, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

The problem right now is that, you can't accept that I am right! You are acting like a damn fanboy, fanboys never accept the true but brag shit talks! You seem to be doing the same!

• How is that evidence for anything? I've linked the American page for Sonic 2k6 several times and it doesn't list anything for the PC there, either. What's your point?Yes you have, but the point of your website shows that SEGA didn't annouce anything coming for PC.
• And the point of my own websites 100% shows that, that image was edited! It showed exactly the same logo's as of xbox live and ps3, but did you see a PC logo. i guess NOT!
• It is very, very likely Sonic 2k6 will see a PC port some time in the future. Sonic 2, Sonic 3, Sonic & Knuckles, Sonic CD, Sonic R, Sonic Adventure DX, Sonic Heroes, Phantasy Star Online, Phantasy Star Universe, Billy Hatcher and Sonic Gems Collection Plus all saw PC portsYes I know this game might be coming to PC, but did I say it isn't. I was just trying to prove to you that image is edit, but won't listen, now I have given a big fat evidence, but still you an't accepting it! Yes this game might be coming for PC, but that doesn't mean we have to be jumping into conclusion, no one is talking about it yet! Come on! Wat is the point of you putting it that it is rumour to come out of PC, when you too clearly know that other Sonic titles and Sega titles made it to PC. Wait till the game comes out first, and you will later hear website saying, it is coming out for PC, then we can put it to the Known Feature/ Future content section, instead of putting it to a Rumour section.
• When Sonic 2k6 was shown at E3 last year, no magazines and no websites reported on it. Did that make this game a hoax? Of course not. We had footage that it existed. Could the footage have been faked? Yes. But it wasn't. And the game itself was not officially announced until 4 months laterSonic 2006 wasn't annoucned last year e3, it was the Sonic DS, the full polygon 3D sonic. There was a video/ leaked video of Sonic 2006.
• We have a scan that proves something exists; a scan Sega of a booklet Sega handed out at E3. Advanced information that professional magazines and websites aren't allowed to tell us about yet. Could it have been hoaxed? Maybe. But as I've repeatedly said, and you've repeatedly ignored, it is very unlikely it could have been hoaxedSo you are telling me, that promo poster was a secert!?
• The only way to have gotten the artwork and the information that scan contained, before E3 started, would have been to work for Sega themselves, and I doubt anybody at Sega has any reason to hoax something like thisThe problem is, that image was from Sonic Staduim
• Go ahead and conduct your poll, go ahead and do whatever you wish if you feel people will side with you. I do not fear the results. As I said, I have left notes with Wikipedia staff asking for a third opinion on this subject for that very same reason, and I eagerly await their interventionSorry son, I don't deal that way. I deal with a vote, whereas editors will read the reason about this rumour thing if it's a fake or not. Then they/we vote and decide if the info should stay as a rumour or not!

I don't care what you do son, keep adding that info to a rumour, and you will be reverted! The image is fake!

• Silver colour as been changed to blue
• PC image added, and that isn't how a PC logo is

>x<ino 04:24, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Xino, chill the hell right out. He's provided substantial evidence that the rumour exists - at the very least, it's arrogant and unfair of you to revert his addition of a real, substantiated rumour. Do not attack other users like this, for any reason. I've added this discussion as evidence of your poor behaviour to the currently running RfC, and will apply to the Mediation Committee (and thence to ArbCom, if MedCom think it's necessary) the next time you attack another user like this. You've already been warned that your behaviour is totally unacceptable a number of times: I kindly suggest that you take a break and accept that you do not own the pages that you edit. RandyWang (^raves/_rants) 08:33, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Here comes RandyWang: the boy who loves bugging into converstation that doesn't concern him, the boy that thinks he knows all and can solve problems. Randy I have told you many times, stay out of my ways and edits. I don't give a ass damn about what you say, you are really wanting a nasty flame from me...believe me, I have told you many times.

>x<ino 15:57, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Xino, we're taking your case to mediation today. Might I suggest that you chill out, cut the personal attacks and recognise that you do not own any Wikipedia content? You are the single user who does not believe this rumour, so why does that make it totally unworthy of a mention? RandyWang (^raves/_rants) 21:57, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

One last thing I want to say before this whole thing is over, something I've actually been meaning to say but haven't - namely because it took me a bit to track it down. Do you know where Sonic Stadium got the image, Xino? NeoGAF. Read the article on it thoroughly. It's a forum made up entirely of industry insiders - real videogame designers like David Jaffe (who worked on God of War, one of the best PS2 games of 2005), and videogame magazine editors. It isn't the first time information of that sort has accidentally leaked out of GAF Pre-E3, either. Is that source enough for you? BlazeHedgehog 04:27, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Oh a forum...that is just great. Forum are full of ass kids. You can't get important info at forums, they are just made up lies! Even images provided are always edited. You can tell by their sig's and avarters. So are you telling me David Jaffe scanned the image!? David Jaff drew those pictures!? This is pointless, you can add that pointless useless line and I will keep on reverting it.

You still don't know what a rumour is, but trying to spread one. That line is just coming from opionion!

• I havn't seen that image anywhere els over the internet
• I haven't heard anybody talk about this game being for PC, even if it's in the top 10 anticipation most wanted games
• I havn't seen any PC logo or image around this game
• If that image is a leaked image, it should be flowing around the internet now, because that is how leaked information are
• If the image isn't edited, I should hear info regarding that it is coming for the PC

and lastly!

• If it is! a rumour...then I should be hearing people talking about it everywhere

Now is that a rumour to you!? Likem I said before, add this line to the rumour section, be ready to be reverted!

Oh yea by the way, i wish there is a blocking or ingore button. SO i can ingore Randy, because you are annoying like a fly! And I surely do hate insects! now is the time I do need a damn block list and ingore list! (kisses is teeth and rolls eyes)

>x<ino 09:59, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Xino please read this carefully http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Harassment Sonic Hog 11:08, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Xino, this RFM is the last step before arbitration. I suggest you seriously consider taking part in it. RandyWang (^raves/_rants) 11:43, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

E3 2006 Promo Art 05/May/06 A page that is currently beleived to be from part of SEGA's E3 2006 press kit, displaying a never before seen character and logo. Source: SEGA E3 2006 Promotion Booklet. Scanned by: Unknown Scanned by who? I though it was a brochur!?

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Xino (talk • contribs) 05:21, 17 May 2006

Ah, I think I know what 'PC' stands for in that now. It seems to be out of SEGA's E3 press kit, so perhaps it stands for 'Press Copy.' The scan just didn't turn out right--however, if you look at Sonic Channel's latest news post, there's a link to an E3 page. It's got snapshots of SEGA's booth. One shows the exact same artwork on the scan, except that it is higher-quality, and without the city background. Sonic, Shadow, and Silver are still in there, though, and in the exact same poses. Instead of the city background; however, it was replaced by a white background with shadows of the hedgehogs laying out behind them. Also, in that picture, Silver seems to have a 'slight' bluish tint to his silver fur. It's highly probable that the scan just screwed up (as nearly everyone has been trying to state) which caused some of the colors to look blue. The 'PC' doesn't neccessarily mean personal computer--in fact, it probably means 'Press Copy' because that was part of the SEGA E3 Press Kit, anyway. AKA, a brochur. I know some of this stuff has already been stated, but I'm trying to restate it and EXPLAIN it all. --Ultimate 23:55, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I saw that on the Sonic Channel earlier today, too. Didn't figure it was worth mentioning because Xino's already been delt with. If the PC was for Press Copy, though, you'd think it'd be in a different location as to avoid this sort of confusion - top left, for example, and not down there with all the other console logos. BlazeHedgehog 05:10, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Where did the info about appearances of Amy, Knuckles, Tails, Rouge and Blaze come from?

Please see the talk page sections labeled "Sega Employee" and "Bucketload of info, what do we do with it?". BlazeHedgehog 18:09, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

A rumor isn't something that's automatically false. It's something people talk and gossup about as a thought without knowing if it is true or false. Meaning it could be either one. Yes, I know I'm kinda late. Seems like this arguement has been going on for a while. I thought this wasn't a place for arguement or fights. Axidous 10, July 2006

4 PLAYERS

There isnt no 4th character! The game will allow us/ gamers to play with 4 controllers! For an example: The game Shadow the Hedgehog, it says 1-2 players. But did we play with any other players other than Shadow? NO! That 1-2 player was for multiplayer! You are forgetting that this game will feature online playablities, so if it's 2 player then it will be weak. Multiplayer as evolved, right now NeXt Gen gaming is allowing 32 players all at once! This game will feature 1-4 players which means:

• We can only play as the only 3 characters in the single player: Sonic/ Blue, Shadow/Black and Siler/White
• The 1-4 will be available in the multiplayer section. But yes if there are 3 characters who will be the fourth!?

We don't know, so stop making up fake rumours! The 4 character can be Eggman, Princess Elise or one of the character you meet up during the single player. When you are playing a multiplayer game, it is unfair for the other opponent to have greater skills than his/her victim: I mean, player 1 choosing Shadow and Player 2 choosing Super Sonic. Ofcousre Super Sonic will have better advantages!

Yes, in Shadow the Hedgehog, it says 1-2 players. In the multiplayer section, it suppose to be Shadow or Sonic. Maybe Shadow or one of Sonic' friends. But it was actually Metal Shadows!

The same will appeal for this game. The multiplayer will be SOnic, Shadow & Silver. But who can the 4th player be, the fourth player can either be: Eggman. Remember the character as to match same skills as of his opponents or has to be fair!

Is this clear enough? please state your own reason about this breif...

>x<ino 20:38, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Xino, I don't who the above person is, but apparently they are backing up their information by their own edits to this article. From what I gather from looking at the page history:

• [8] somebody didn't like the information coming out from Sega and changed it to look like a rumor
• [9] the information was later moved it down to the rumors section because of the edited wording

If this is the way offical information from Sega gets treated, we should scrap the entire article. --DavidHOzAu 01:42, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

I don't quite understand the links you gave me... but I will state my messages clearier!

First of all, the fact from SEGA:

• Sega produced a promo picture for this game, suppose to be at E3.

Yes, I and several people are saying that picture is edited.
I am trying to prove all the details why it as been edit, still no one is taking notice!
Ok then...if the image isn't edited, then CAN SOMEONE PLEASE BRING A PICTURE OF EXACTLY THE SAME PICTURE FROM SEVERAL DIFFERENT WEBSITES!: it will be better if the image comes from one of this links:

• • IGN
  • Gamespot
• 1up
• Gamespy

Because only Sonic Staduim as that picture!

Now the 4 players:

• In Sonic Adventure 2, at the back of the case it says 1-2 players. Did we play with a 2 player during the storyline, another words, 1-2 player, was there a co-op mode in storymission? NO!
• Shadow the Hedgehog: it says 1-2 playes. Once again did we play a co-op mode in the storymission...NO!

Sonic games are only meant for 1 players! But if another controller is needed then it is surely for multiplayer. Even SEGA website said so them self!

Now this is from SEGA UK Multiplayer modes where you can play through a unique co-op adventure with another player, or duke it out with others whose goals are completely different to yours! Do you know what a co-op mode is? only a 2 players. And do not brag about it being 4 player! Which means 1 player will either choose out of the 3 hedgehog while the other chooses from the remaining 2. And duking it out is like the Shadow multiplayer game...

For SEGA US...the site isn't responding so I will give out the data later!

By the way...who ever is the person redirecting the user to a reference section. Knock it off! It is quite annoying. Because when I click on the link, it takes me to a refernce section, but doens't even show the right one. I am sure editors and visitors will also find it annoying!

>x<ino 14:14, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

It's a footnote, the reference system is supposed to the that. Anyway, I'll quote the article here for you:

When video game icon Sonic The Hedgehog debuted on the SEGA Genesis in 1991, he shook up the action-platform genre with his signature speed and rebellious attitude. More than 44 million units later, Sonic celebrates his 15th anniversary and blazes his way onto the next generation consoles for an epic adventure designed to deliver the most intense sensation of speed experienced to date.

The game is set in Soleanna, the beautiful city of water. In his first adventure set in the human world, Sonic meets a beautiful princess named Elise, whom he quickly befriends, but Princess Elise is abducted by none other than the calculating Dr. Eggman who is working under dark and sinister motives,to destroy this special kingdom of hers. In order to restore safety and serenity, Sonic must maneuver his way through a series of adventures and challenges where he will encounter and interact with a bevy of allies and enemies, and ultimately go head to head against the menacing doctor to thwart his malicious plans. Along the way, Sonic encounters a mysterious character named Silver. Blocking him with unique supernatural powers, even the Blue dude with 'tude will find it difficult to out-maneuver the enigmatic Silver! As Sonic speeds through the huge kingdom, the mysteries unravel.

Sonic The Hedgehog melds top-tier animation production values with next generation art, physics and game design to create the most intense, high velocity Sonic adventure yet! Featuring interactive 3D environments, a large cast of new and returning characters, and a blistering sense of speed, get ready for the reinvention of Sonic The Hedgehog!

Features:

• 15 years in the making. After his 1991 debut, universal video game icon Sonic returns to his high-velocity roots to create a new dimension of entertainment.
• Speed Redefined. Utilizing next-gen technologies, light bloom, and environmental motion-blur effects, Sonic's breakneck speed and dazzling world come to life.
• Amigos and enemies. Sonic is joined by friends and foes from the franchise history, as well as a new character, Silver, whose supernatural powers will wreak mayhem on Sonic's plans!
• Realistic World. Using a next-generation physics engine, Sonic's moves, attacks and environment interaction respond realistically to opposing forces. The dynamic environments have been specifically created to promote Sonic's sense of speed while delivering a great sense of scale.
• Two different types of stages. Town stages where Sonic will be able explore vast environments and play various sub-missions, and Action stages where Sonic's blistering speed will be utilized in full effect.
• Multiplayer Mode. Up to four players can play as Sonic and his amigos in high-spirited multiplayer fun!

Platform	Developer	Players	Release	Genre	ESRB
Xbox® 360™ PlayStation®3	Sega Studios - Japan	1-4	XBOX360: Fall 2006 PS3: Fall 2006		Rating pending

SEGA is registered in the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office. SEGA, the SEGA logo and Sonic The Hedgehog are either registered trademarks or trademarks of SEGA Corporation. © SEGA Corporation, 2006. All Rights Reserved.

Sega.com

Notice the bit "Up to four players can play as Sonic and his amigos". ;-) --DavidHOzAu 09:00, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

I am really greatful for what you did. by the way the cheap site is responding again!

Yes even David you got it right It says "Up to four players can play as Sonic and his amigos". And who are Sonic's Amigos?

• Silver
• Shadow

Do we know what Amigo stands for? no need to go to the dictionary and find out the meaning. If you watch the movie "The 3 Amigos" You can clearly see that it is 3 people in a group and they are identically the same. Which means,: 3 hedgehogs, the hedgehogs are the same, they are 3. However they bear 3 different colours: Blue, Silver & Black Now who will be the last character? and the last player can be one of th

Amigos and enemies. Sonic is joined by friends and foes from the franchise history, as well as a new character, Silver, whose supernatural powers will wreak mayhem on Sonic's plans! Which means the last player in the Multiplayer will have to be

• Tails
• Kunckles
• Doctor Eggman
• Blaze the Cat
• Fang
• Mighty the Armadillo
• Omega please don't let it be that damn robot! <<DAMN ROBOT?>>
• Metal Sonic
• Chaos!?

>x<ino 15:23, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

"Amigos" means friends. It doesn't mean peope who look exactly alike. As for a 4th Playable Character, do they say that there will only be four playable characters? No. Do they say that all of Sonic's friends and foes in this game will be playable? No. More and likely, there will be a larger variety of characters in multiplayer mode to play as. I'm not saying that's the case, I'm say that it's the mostlikely answer. Oh, and Xino, why'd you add Fang and Mighty to your list of possible fourth characters, but not Rouge? Rouge is more likely to appear than they are to return. --Ultimate 19:23, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes! You made an excellent point! no doubt! You are right, there can be Tails, Amy, Kunckles, Rouge. But in multiplayer you can only play with 4 people choosing out of those characters. And as for the amigo meaning, it does mean if they are alike. Have you seen the damn cowboy movie "3 amigos"? They dress the same, act the same, the same applies to this game, they are Hedgehogs and bear pattern colours.

>x<ino 21:17, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Amigo means Friend. End of story. Your logic is flawed, Xino. This is not to be meant as an insult, just to tell you that you are wrong. --Alexie 00:43, 16 May 2006 (UTC) (P.S. Since SEGA said Amigo, does that mean that only males are playable?)

In the English language, "he" refers to either males or females. If you don't know what gender a person is, you can use "he" to refer to both male and female. It also refers specifically for males, too, if you do it that way. Feminists are trying to change that, but it IS the truth. "She" is specifically for females. We can safely assumed that the term "amigos" simply means friends in general, and not solely males. --69.210.135.9 17:44, 16 May 2006 (UTC) (P.S. This is AGAIN Ultima, and I AGAIN forgot to login before adding my own post. I should just login permanently and be done with it--I'm not doing it now because my PC isn't in my room and I don't want my family members to be able to access my accounts. When I say 'accounts,' I mean any account I have online.)

Oh sure I am wrong. Amigo just means friend. There is alot more to it. You need to stop looking at articles and concenrate more on dictionaries:P

And as for "69.210.135.9". You have no idea what you are saying! You are saying he referes to male and female. Females are changing it?

PLEASE, enough with this cheap thoughs!

>x<ino 18:12, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

OK, will Wiktionary do?

amigo m.

  1. friend (casual term in English, derived from Spanish)

How about dictionary.com?

a·mi·go Audio pronunciation of "amigo" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (-mg) n. pl. a·mi·gos

   A friend.

Find me any source, anywhere that supports your definition of the word. And by "any source" I mean "one that isn't a Steve Martin comedy film".

I'd also like to point out that Sonic Adventure 2's original promotional material only advertised Sonic, Knuckles, and Eggman as playable characters. Emcee N 02:36, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Are you talking to me!? What da hell...the internet is full of low life sukers, an't it. I have provided my own terms of amigo, while you are providing yours from notes that can be edited by anyone (kisses is teeth, rolls eyes)

>x<ino 08:52, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes, your own terms. Ones that you made up based on your viewing and misinterpretation of a comedy. I see you have no intention of meeting my request and providing a dictionary definition to source your claim - perhaps we should revert the talk page to delete what must therefore undoubtedly be a fake hoax rumour? I provided Reality Land's definition from Wiktionary and also from dictionary.com, which in turn sourced its definition from The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language. (Furthermore, dictionary.com is not editable.) Go find a library and look it up. Or, how about Funk & Wagnall's Standard Desk Dictionary:

a·mi·go n. pl. A friend; comrade. [ < Sp. ]

What's your next claim, one of us flew to your town and "vandalised" all the dictionaries in your library? Emcee N 11:59, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

I really don't see what your point is....or what exactly you are trying to prove! When someone says their own words, if they are wrong, then they are wrong. You have to correct them, so in future they will understand. But when someone is saying their own words although it differs from the actually true meaning, it doesn't matter, they are still correct because they understand what that thing is, but they are just manipulating it in a different matter!

For an example. There is a teacher, and 3 kids. The teacher asks both kids:
What does fire produce? don't mention heat!
The first kid said "fire produces yellow"
The second kid said "fire produces warmth"
The last kid said "fire produces flames!"
Now tell me what kid is correct!?
All kids are!

• The first kid is right, although he isn't explaining the termilogy of fire and what it produces. But he managed to twist his knowlege of understanding what it means, in a different way.
• The second kid is most right. Because fire produces heat, warmth, burns
• This is the last answer that suppose to be wrong but it is also right! This shows what exaclty I am talking about. The kid knows what a fire is, but exchange the true meaning of it. Yes fire is a flame! he didn't exaclty explain the true meaning of fire and what it produces. But the kid understands the aspects of fire,:

Now you are saying what does this all matter to you, I am changing subject. I am not, this is to backup my answers, rights and thoughs! If you actually scroll up you will see I have actually gave different meanings of Amigo. It relates to the dictionary answer. Which means, i do know what it means but I am changing the direct answer to the opposite side.

Beside what is the big deal!? You people over the internet do waste time!

>x<ino 00:47, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Amigos don't have to look exactly alike. The ones in "The Three Amigos" do, but that doesn't mean they all have to. We're not trying to insult you or "own" you or anything, you're just... not correct. You need to stop taking things on the Internet so personally. Emcee N 01:23, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Oh so you trying to twist things are we!?

>x<ino 14:54, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

What the hell are you all talking about?! We were talking about sonic the hedgehog! But just to add to the conversation, amigos mean friends. It dosen't care who you are, or what you look like! When you are friends with someone, they are, in spanish, your amigo! Now can someone please tell me about this forth character?! -Rosxs

Look, Xino, Amigo=Friend. Don't come with cowboys to me, I'm portuguese and That word is Portuguese/spanish. They simply wanted to say something cool, end of story.

Have Blaze and the others been confirmed to appear? (195.23.225.236 09:08, 11 June 2006 (UTC))

I really want to know who it is! And also, is Tails, Amy and the others going to appear? Or is it only the already confirmed characters? -Rosxs, 16 June 2006

You all are nut. No, I mean Monkey Nuts.

2-players? Duh. Just a multiplayer mode.

Which characters return? All the characters in all the Sonic Universes are now official since they've been in officially published in something, so SEGA and whoever works with the whole Sonic thing can bring up whoever they want. Even Scratch and Grounder.

Omega? I kinda like Omega. The only E-series robot who turned good and survived along with getting to know everyone and be playable in multiple games. He's also kinda funny sometimes.

The picture? Who cares. You'll know the story when the game comes out. The reason I'm here is it's kinda fun in some ways. Eheh heh, I've never even met any of you peeps. Axidous 10, July 2006

Here, I'm Argentine and yep, "amigo" means friend and absolutely nothing else, almost not even a context-depending signification and/ or meaning (however, there're severe localized ways of saying friend in Spanish depending of where you are -be it Spain, Mexico, Venezuela, Ecuador and so on-, so it's not used as much as friend is in English). Don't know if it has any extra 'hidden' meanings in English, though. ChaosAngelZero 16, July 2006

Release Date

Although the title says "Summer 2006", I've called around EB Games and quite a few other places, and they said Sega intends on releasing Sonic 2K6 the same day as the PS3, at least in Canada (where I am). Shall i add that note to the release date information on the page?

User:Raccoon Fox - Talk 21:36, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

I've always heard it would land on the Xbox 360 first, and then just be available for the PS3 launch. BlazeHedgehog 00:24, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Lets just leave it as "TBA" or speculative/what ever they call that thing:/

>x<ino 13:55, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

The quote in the above section makes the answer to this painfully obvious... --DavidHOzAu 09:02, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, I edited to say Fall 2006, because that's what the Sega rep said on the Gametrailers.com "Gameplay Extravaganza" video. BlazeHedgehog 13:50, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

SEGA stated from a few sources at E3 that the X-Box 360 version would release simultaneous with the PS3 one, and they were trying to release the PS3 one the same day the PS3 was actually released. "Fall 2006" is good enough. --69.210.135.9 19:15, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Isn't it going to be released on Sonic's 15th Anniversery (the day of his first game release) which is on June 23? UnDeRsCoRe

That is absolutely impossible. The game wasn't even 40% complete at E3. Besides, June 23rd already passed. New INFO was expected (which we did get--but very minor stuff), but that's about it. --Ultimate 13:16, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

I've already found out that it is to be on November 14th, but that's before the PS3 comes out by a few days. But then agian some games don't make it to the stores right away. I don't remember where I saw this so I won't say it's completely true but I'll try to find it again and then I'll ask you guys and see what you think. Axidous 10, July 2006

I know I already found out about the November 14th being the release day but who put that in the article and where did they find this out? User:AxidousAxidous 29, July 2006

Stuff

Can we archive the crap on this page? It's getting out of hand and it isn't helping.

Also, whoever thinks specular highlighting is a new addition to Sonic the Hedgehog, either doesn't know what that is, or hasn't been paying much attention. What did you think made the Heroes models look like plastic? 86.143.156.110 20:57, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

I've archived some of it. --Zeno McDohl 21:38, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

What are you talking about!? The graphics!? It is made with Havok engine

>x<ino 21:20, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

The Havok 'engine' is NOT related to graphics. In fact, engines aren't anything related to graphics. An engine is how the game plays. The Havok engine has nothing to do with game graphics, it has to do with being able to manipulate nearly any thing you see during gameplay. --Ultimate 21:32, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Personally, I thought Specular Highlighting was a shader effect used in relation with bump mapping to make bump-mapped surfaces look shiny. I always figured the effect in Sonic Heroes was more like a type of environment mapping (that is, using a texture to simulate reflection, like the Gran Turismo games did on the PSone). BlazeHedgehog 04:08, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Specular highlighting is merely a secondary highlight to give objects shine. You can see the effect in any Sonic game since Sonic Adventure. In fact, SA does a good job of showing it: Stand outside in Emerald Coast and turn the camera around Sonic -- you'll see that some of the highlighting "follows" him around. That's an effect called Local Viewer in DirectX terms, and it only happens when Specular Highlighting is active. 86.143.156.110 12:05, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

EDIT: See Specular highlight. 86.143.156.110 12:06, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

EDIT2: Here [10] is a shot of Sonic Heroes. The awful white lines atop Sonic and Knuckles' heads -- that's the specular highlighting. Sonic Adventure -- and all other games since -- have had the same thing but not quite as blatant. 86.143.156.110 13:56, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Ultima, that's not correct. The Havok Physics engine, in this case, is almost exclusively to do with graphics. That is, Havok licenses a number of different engines: the one you're referring to is called Havok Physics, while the more famous Havok physics engine is called Havok FX. The former is used for some games' animation and physics systems, while the latter is more common and used for visual physics effects - such as realistic fog, explosions, particle effects and so on using Shader Model 3.0 where available. This physics engine is visible to the user, and in a very big way. Remember, while a single game engine runs the entire show, it still makes use of a number of external resources - also known as engines - for certain features that are too expensive to develop in-house, such as physics, and graphics. The Unreal Engine is a very good example of this. RandyWang (^raves/_rants) 09:38, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

"Controversies"

What the HELL is this all about?! Nothing in the Controversies section makes sense. The IDEA of mentioning criticisms is idiotic in of itself--criticism has nothing to do with the game itself. Then the second part about 8 Chaos Emeralds. NOTHING has even been mentioned about Chaos Emeralds, other than the fact that the princess has the green one. Shouldn't this be removed because it is useless? --Ultimate 20:35, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

But didn't you say in your "E10 rumor" saying it oculd be a high possiblity. I first formed this section and that's all I had in it. Other people must have changed it a lot. Please put it back... that is if you remember what what was there originally. If not, I'll put it back when I get a chance but it won't be word-for-word. Knuckles sonic8 22:02, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

I didn't remove the 'Controversies' section. E-10+ rating IS highly likely, but it should be put underneath rumors. When I saw the Controversies page, though, it only had something related to how people have been criticizing the game, and that the game will feature 8 Chaos Emeralds (which was never mentioned anywhere). That is why I suggested it be removed. I never changed anything in it, though, and I never removed it either. Someone else must have. --Ultimate 16:58, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Okay. Don't worry about it. It's not that big of a deal. Knuckles sonic8 16:57, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Umm if there were 8 emeralds then Sonic shouldn't be able to turn Super if he only has seven. Plus when they discovered the emeralds they dicovered that there were seve right away even before getting them all. Both Eggman and Sonic found this out. So why would they miss one emerald but dicover the other seven all at once? Not to mention the who chaos conrtol thing needing all the emeralds. But that was originally with a machine so how'd they plan to get home by just collecting them all? Then they stopped trying to go home just because SuperSonic messed up and a few more things came to earth. Axidous 10, July 2006

E-10+ Rating Rumor

Before you guys start asking about this, which I'm sure many of you will, I shall reveal the source of this rumor. Though I didn't list the direct link inside the rumor itself (perhaps I should've) I did state that it was in the Sonic the Hedgehog Message Boards on Gamespot/Gamefaqs. Bendilin, a very reliable source (he's got a guy in SEGA who reveals minor information to him) revealed that he's heard that the current pending rating is E-10+. In the past, Bendilin has been quite accurate, including revealing information on Silver in Sonic Rivals BEFORE it being confirmed at E3, and also confirming a team system in Sonic Advance 3. The topic can be found either at Gamespot ([11]) and at Gamefaqs ([12]). If you don't believe it, it's fine by me. I still put it in rumors, anyway. It can't be a confirmation unless SEGA states so--I'm only explaining his reliability when it comes to things like this. --Ultimate 19:33, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

This is exactly why I placed this information on the page cause I was also somewhat aware of this. I strongly think it'll be rated E10+ as well, personally. Knuckles sonic8 21:59, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

I think it's rather obvious that it'll be rated an E10+, and I don't see why you need a magic crystal ball to tell you this. BlazeHedgehog 22:47, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Sega Employee

The guy has been established as being an actual Sega employee. It is not the forum speculating things, it is information being delivered. mad_cat_42 20:23, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

And is there PROOF that the guy's been established as a SEGA employee? If you don't have any proof, then I'm deleting the whole "Everybody from Sonic Rush will be back" and "Another new hedgehog" crap. I'll give you four hours.

Four Hours? Who the hell are you to declare "four hours"? This isn't a hostage situation. Anyway, being a member of the GHZ Forums, I'd say this guy is legit. He's offered up insight into other Sega games he's tested - Super Monkey Ball Adventure, Shadow the Hedgehog, Sonic Riders, etc, giving us information about the game that had not yet been released - such as revealing plot details about Shadow before the game hit store shelves. This information was confirmed to be true, basically validating that yes, he is a game tester for Sega UK. BlazeHedgehog 21:53, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

So basically, you have no proof.

Are you a troll? What did I just say? You want me to find the specific forum post? Right, then. Shadow the Hedgehog Beta Footage - a rather embarassing glitch where Shadow and Maria get stuck together in a compromising position - unfortunately, the Rapidshare link has long since died so you can't see it for yourself. This glitch is, as far as I know, unreplicatable in the retail version, which should be proof enough for you. When you consider that, it makes this post all the more hilarious. BlazeHedgehog 23:00, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

um...why are you suddenly talking about Shadow? Right....

Right, so you're a troll, then, I'll assume. You ask for proof this guy is legit - and I offer proof, so you claim I'm changing the subject. BlazeHedgehog 01:57, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

I hope my edit offers a compromise solution. To tell the truth, Blaze, the wording of this section, where it was almost presented as established fact, was kinda getting on my nerves as well. Emcee N 02:31, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

I see no problem with the re-wording. Infact, the only problem I did have with this is the rather impatient tone 63.227.2.85 took, with the "YOU HAVE FOUR HOURS" and him accusing me of changing the subject when I was simply making a point. BlazeHedgehog 06:00, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

THANK YOU EMCEE! And Blaze, how am I a troll when I'm just trying to get rid of all the rumors that you consider facts? For me, as long as SEGA doesn't officially annouce it or says it in an interview, it's not considered a fact. Just because some guy on a forum claims to be a SEGA employee, doesn't mean that he is. Now, if SEGA OFICIALLY announces the info about the Sonic Rush people being in the game and stuff, THEN you can feel free to add it to the facts section.

"63" (for so shall I address you, for short) I see Blaze's point as well. You're right that rumours should be correctly identified as such, (and in all fairness the piece WAS in the rumours section, it was just poorly worded) but instead of this "You have Four Hours *thunderclap*" stuff, just reword it as a rumour and add a comment to the discussion page. And also, Blaze talked about Shadow to show you a previous true piece of inside information that had come from his source. If you read some of the earlier rubbish that went on on this talk page, you'll understand why people are a little jittery about trolls right now... Emcee N 09:20, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

How about this little piece of info. NOBODY expected Ulala, AiAi, and NiGHTS to be in Sonic Riders (everyone was thinking that it'd be Team Chaotix) and this guy goes out and state that they were in the game, and that neither Team Chaotix nor Shadow were in the plot. NOBODY expected that those three would be in the game, or that Shadow wouldn't make it in story mode. Despite how much I loathed him for... I don't know, revealing that three idiotic non-Sonic characters would appear instead of other Sonic characters, he IS a very reliable source. Still, though, the info should remain under 'Rumors' until confirmed by Sonic Team, even though OneClassyBloke is also a SEGA employee. It prevents flaming, then. --Ultimate 13:37, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Not true. I suspected Aiai to be in Sonic Riders but people scoffed. So watch what you say. ;) Knuckles sonic8 16:58, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Bah, I was just in a really bad mood (finals exams) when I typed the whole 4 hours thing.....XD

I'm actually starting to wonder if this information is true or not. From the GHZ Sega Employee, I mean. Recently it seems he's started trying to re-enforce people's phoney rumors just to mess with people's heads. He, himself, IS legit, but I'm starting to question whether or not his information is. He could just be having a laugh at our expense. BlazeHedgehog 22:17, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Wait, what?! I never thought of that before. I guess we'd best wait and see if we WAS just pulling his lid with this info. Blaze is rather a surprise of herself, though the other characters aren't surprising at all. He could've made it up, then mentioned a few characters whom would more and likely appear anyway. People would then believe him because of his accuracy before. Let's just wait and find out, but you do make a good point. --Ultimate 13:18, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Are people referring to the same user I'm thinking of, "OneClassyBloke" or something along those lines (not sure if that's his exact username)? Knuckles sonic8 16:59, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

If it's false then why did they let him say that. Maybe if it is falseit's because he knows that people will find out WHEN THEY PLAY THE GAME. Eheh he heh. I'm in a luaghing moment right now. Who knows why. But still, Blaze and Babylon Rogues have to make a reappearance sometime even if it's in the same game togethoer or in Sonic 2k6. They both say they'll meet face to face again soon. So Jet isn't exactly Sonic's enemy? I just now thought of that. Eheh heh heh. Wait. It'd be kinda neet to see what the Babylon Rogues can do without their boards. They usually have a diffent style of gameplay in their games. Maybe Jet and Blaze will be faster too. Jet ran fast too in Sonic Riders, even if it wasn't as fast as Sonic, though Sonic didn't run as fast as he could've when off his board. Maybe he didn't want to cheat. Or they just wanted to make them all the same speed so they'd have an equal advantage. Axidous 10, July 2006

Bucketload of info, what do we do with it?

Sonic Stadium now has an anonymous source dishing out information on this game. All of it runs true to what the GHZ guy said about the game.

http://news.sonicstadium.org/story/191/

The following is copy/pasted from the site:

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Sonic News was recently contacted by an anonymous source who claimed to have knowledge on previously unheard of aspects of the next-gen Sonic game, for XBOX 360 and Playstation 3, titled: Sonic the Hedgehog

WARNING PLEASE READ: Sonic News’ source did not reveal their identity to us; they only decided to answer our questions on the agreement that they remain an anonymous source. While SN can not control what members do and say on other online communities we would ask that when discussing this article you avoid guessing or implicating anybody as its source. Members of the TSS network will be punished accordingly for doing so.

Characters

Playable Since Sonic 2006s’ E3 appearance and Silvers revelation as a time traveller many people have likened the game and its three main Hedgehog characters to Dragon Ball Z. From our sources reaction to the script he agrees with these strong parallels, likening Sonic to Goku, Shadow to Vegeta, and Silver to Trunks.

-Sonic the Hedgehog -Shadow the Hedgehog -Silver the Hedgehog

Non playable -Knuckles -Amy Rose -Rouge

-Princess Elise: Princess Elisa is connected to the Flames of Disaster. Her dark secrete is that she was used to stop them 10 years ago.

-Tails: Tails may be a playable character, the document from which the information in question originates makes mention of a ‘Tails Act’.

-Blaze: Blaze is the surprise character of the story with connections to Silver. Our source suggested that these connections may imply the alternative reality from which she and Eggman Nega originated from is infact a future reality. The Sol Emeralds also feature in the plot; however connections between Soleanna and the Emeralds are yet to be made.

-Dr Ivo Robotnik aka Eggman: Eggman is the main villain of the game, and yet his butt gets whipped twice by an evil super deity, just like previous Sonic outings (Sonic Adventure, Sonic Adventure 2, Sonic Heroes, Shadow the Hedgehog). It’s also been suggested that in this outing Eggman has a twin.

Sonic News speculation: The notion of a twin doesn’t surprise SN. On the official Sonic 2006 page of the SEGA of America site there’s a flash image which, when a cursor is place on top, alternates Eggmans facial expressions from normal to psychotic. This could imply possession (the personification of his dark side) or possibly an alternate Eggman (twin, Eggman Nega).

Unspecified

-Forth Hedgehog (anonymous): the forth anonymous Hedgehog is crystalline in appearance. Our source describes it as a fusion between crystal/stone/emerald. This character may also be of blood relation to Shadow, and serves as mentor to Silver in the future.

Sonic News speculation: Once again DBZ parallels with the plot can be seen. It was Gohan who served as mentor to Trunks in the show. If these parallels remain consistent then it seems more likely that the forth hedgehog is a blood relative of Sonic, maybe even his son, while Silver is the relation of Shadow.

Plot

-The Iblis trigger is an event involving the deaths of several characters, effectively leading to the Flames of Disaster (the name is what it is) destroying the world.

Voice actors

The voice actors featured in the game are those used in the Sonic-X television show. The exception to this rule is Silvers, whose voice is still to be cast (the voice featured in the E3 trailer was only temporary).

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Now my question is, what, if anything, should we put in? The info from GHZ was different as the guy is proven to be a Sega employee but I have no clue how reliable Sonic Stadium is. mad_cat_42 22:30, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Sonic stadium is USUALLY pretty reliable. However, this is the first time they've posted something that was from an anonymous person...so I think we should just ignore the bucketload of info until it's all confirmed by SEGA itself.

Blaze the Cat

I read somewere(sonic cult) that Blaze is going to apper in this game but don't get to hyped up yet, I read it but found no proof. I just want to see if anyone heard of this also? Blaze also could be the 4th player because she is just like sonic, with speed and all.

TSS and Sonic News ARE very reliable, but we don't know if their source is or not. They've even stated themselves that they don't know if this source is reliable (at least I think they did). Right now, let's just keep it quiet until we get an official confirmation (though I do believe it to be accurate). Speaking of this, YOU don't know about The Sonic Stadium?! It's only like... the biggest Sonic the Hedgehog fansite online! Unless, of course, you're not actually a Sonic fan and are simply posting the info. --Ultimate 17:49, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

I am a Sonic fan, reason I don't go there is because I don't like large sites. I prefer moderate-sized forums with a tighter community. But anyway, I'm wondering if some of this could at least go into rumors. mad_cat_42 04:41, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Well so much for that idea. Someone decided to post it anyway. Now we may as well just leave it alone. --Ultimate 13:20, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

HOLY HEDGEHOG. Where does this stuff come from?!?! Whew. Okay, there's a LOT of unusual stuff there. Here's what I think....

Silver/Sonic/Shadow - I think it's an interesting trio. Light/Medium/Dark, Future/Present/Past, all that good stuff. All the speculation about who's related to who seems to be somewhat junky though. Then again, legend has it that Shadow was purposely designed from Sonic (something like, Gerald saw the murals depicting SuperSonic and decided to base his ultimate life form from them) so the relation could be something other than blood even. Plus, I think having the three different hedgehogs with three different powers sorta differentiates the three, so that they're not just clones but separate entities with separate powers. In any case, I think that the three main hedgehogs should be the only playables, as they create an interesting trio with no visible room for a fourth.

Tails - PLAYABLE CHARACTER?!?! That just makes no sense! Unless Tails serves his original "I'm just going to follow Sonic and someone can control me if they want" purpose, I don't see how this would work. Maybe, though, he works like Tails Adventure, Tails Sky Patrol, or SA2B here. I just think that Tails by himself is (no offense) kinda weak compared to who else we know is playable.

Blaze - NOT a name I expected to hear with this. It caught me by surprise at first, but the comparisons to alternate worlds and the connections between Soleanna and the Sol Emeralds are interesting. I also think that she is the most likely fourth playable character, as she already has shown to be a match for Sonic.

Eggman - First, I think the only thing close to a "twin" that he might have is Nega. I see no real difference between the two images on the website. However, more interesting to me is the comment that he gets beaten TWICE by the new evil. Why would that be?

Cream - I know this wasn't mentioned here, but I want to bring it up again anywho. The "official employee" guy claimed that everyone from Sonic Rush sans Cream would be present for the ride this time. I seriously doubt this; Blaze and Cream have too much of a connection for them to not show together. Even more important, this statement implies that while Cream won't show up, Vanilla will, which is also very unlikely.

Fourth hedeghog - Keep in mind, everyone, how many hedgehogs we actually already have: five. Sonic, Shadow, Silver, Amy, and Metallix (I just like that name better than Metal Sonic; it's obvious that he is no longer restricted to Sonic's form, either). All have different abilities (though SA2B and SH say otherwise for Sonic Shadow and Amy). Count the non-games continuity, and we have many more, such as Nazo and Scourge. As such, one of them may be likely, but the claim that it is crystalline in appearance tilts the tables towards Nazo. I would really like to know where the info on Nova came from; I haven't heard that ANYWHERE.

Finally: what keeps entering my head with this is, what if this is supposed to really be resembling, say, the comic books or TV shows? We know that the Sonic X voices are being used, and if this was in, say, the Archie universe (because that mentions several different worlds), everything I just said is voided. Then we have to deal with things such as Knuckles the Living Chaos Emerald, Tails the Chosen One, Scourge the Anti-Sonic, Robo-Robotnik, and much more. Personally, although the plot is quickly becoming more convoluted, I agree with what someone on the SN page said: this is like the Harry Potter series; everyone claimed that the next book would ruin it, but it was never all that bad. Sonic's finally growing up, and he gets to have some serious action (serious in more ways than one). What I'm mostly concerned with now is, that we just have some nice gameplay, and the trailers all seem to be showing us that. So here I am, just waiting, and hoping beyond hope that the PC rumors are true - the PC rumor to me is the truly important one. I.M.Fearless 16:47, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

CHAO 2006

Do you think that you can raise chao in the game? From a PERSON

There hasn't been any mention of it at all, so it's unlikely. BlazeHedgehog 07:02, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Sonic's son?

Looking through rumours and discussions has lead me to belive that since this game bears a more than obvious likeness to Dragon Ball Z, it is thought that Sonic would have a son or blood relative. I doubt that this is the case. For you who have played Sonic Battle and Sonic Advance 3 you could assume that the 4th Character and Sonic's supposed "son" could be Gemerl (the Ultimate Phi, built from Emerl parts after Battle). As in Battle Sonic and Amy both had a "son" ( as Amy called him), and since he was rebuilt after Sonic Advance 3, there is a possibility that he could be in this game. This would also contradict what many people have spread about Cream not being in this game, as emerl was last seen with Cream and Vanilla!

Your thoughts please?

Emerl isn't Sonic's son. He's a robot. Sonic doesn't have a son, and it's highly doubtful that he'll ever get one. --Ultimate 14:20, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Reboot

Has It ever occured to anybody but me that Sonic 2006 is a reboot of the series, such as Casino Royale or Batman Begins? Just a thought. SuperCooper

Yes it has. Many people have thought that. However, it's not. In fact, it's supposed to be a continuation to Sonic Rush. Therefore, it could not be a reboot to the series. Also, the entire main cast will be returning, along with possible others. Sorry, but it's not a reboot. --Ultimate 20:12, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Since when did this become a continuation of Sonic Rush? Just because it as Blaze (and we don't know if this is even true or not since sonic stadium got the info from an ANONYMOUS person) in this game, doesn't make it automatically a continuation of Rush.

It became a continuation of Rush when One Classy Bloke from The GHZ said it was - well before Sonic Stadium said anything. Bear in mind this is the guy who correctly let it slip about Ulala, AiAi and NiGHTS being in Riders, and the European PC release of Billy Hatcher. This guy is credible. --Shadow Hog 22:44, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Well then, it's kinda odd that it would be named simply Sonic the Hedgehog, and not something else. I mean, why would they name it after the first game in the series if it is not a remake? SuperCooper

Tentative title. Kinda like how Super Mario 64 DS was going to be called "Super Mario 64x4", or how The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess was just "The Legend of Zelda" until a year or so ago. Titles change, frequently. Just "Sonic the Hedgehog" is enough to convey what the idea behind the game is (that is, a new Sonic game), and can be amended with the appropriate subtitle later. --Shadow Hog 04:06, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Well, by "reboot", they do NOT mean "remake." It's more like a chance in course. They want this game to have the same affect that people felt when they first played the very first Sonic in the Genesis. --Sonickenshin 05:07, 20 June 2006

Wikipedia:Verifiability

On the sonic issue, as a third point of view I would suggest that both parties look at WP:V. If the infomation in dispute cannot be verified from a trusted source. (not someone's blog or personal website) but rather from news sources, authorities on the subject(GamePro, Game Informer, ect). Also the company website is an EXCELLENT source. Dictionarys and reference books don't appear to be valid here. I will be glad to do some reasearch if it will help you resolve your issue. Just someone needs to drop me a note on my talk page. Cheers! Eagle talk 05:20, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

That's fair (although I only quoted the dictionary to make a point about the meaning of a certain word to an argumentative former user). However, in light of Blaze's justification of the GHZ Forum informant, I'm prepared to let that stand in the Rumours/Unknown section. Rubbish that springs from people's wishful thinking, on the other hand, is just not on. Emcee N 05:46, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Clutter

Holy crap, guys. We really need to take a step back and think about what we post before we post it in the article. Nazo? There's almost no connection that Nazo will be in this game, or that Nazo even exists at all, anywhere (Personally, I am growing very tired of people thinking this "Nazo" thing has any relevance to anything at all). We're relying too much on rumored information, which is inviting all sorts of unsourced edits from people who "heard this" or "heard that" from some random source. And as always, there's way too many people bending the article in to the direction of wishful thinking - just because you want it to happen doesn't mean you can put it in the article and it's going to happen. The same thing goes for the "Evil Twin Eggman". There's practically NO related information to support this outside of a piece of promotional artwork on the Sega.com website where Eggman's facial expression changes if you mouse over it. That's not evidence! BlazeHedgehog 18:24, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Ugh, I don't think people are taking rumors, I think it's the return of the Sonic Riders spammers. Tikal the Echidna, voiced by Bella Hudson? Yeah right! Nothing has even POINTED or HINTED at Tikal in the game yet (though admittedly, I would like to see her return). [Now reverting this information.] --Ultimate 15:31, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Geez, what's with people added possible voices when we have no clue who they are? Amy Birnbaum is one thing, but Veronica Taylor? Who the hell IS Veronica Taylor?! (Btw, this is under Unconfirmed voice-actors for Princess Elise.) --Ultimate 21:01, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

She's known for playing as Ash, Delia and May in Pokemon and various voices in other 4kids English dubs. So, yeah, that's who she is. People would easily recognize her voice in the extended trailer of this game. So, that's why people put that there. --Sonickenshin 17:13, 20 June 2006

"However, he is not playable until half-through the game..."

Where did this info come from? We haven't heard anything about Silver being unplayable until later. --Alexie 19:24, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Actually, we have. The GameTrailers E3 movie said that Silver won't be unlockable until about halfway through the game. --Ultimate 14:32, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for the info. --Alexie 00:53, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Teen-aged

I don't know why but it was placed on the page that the ESRB was rumored to be Teen. I don't know who put that there but anyway it's about as confirmed as is the E10+ rating. I admit E10+ is definitely a possibility but Teen... And besides, there's no confirmed evidence of this so I guess the notion can be rejected. Anyway, I removed it, I'm just letting you all know, and, in effect, the person who wrote that in the first place. Knuckles sonic8 21:04, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Don't know who posted that, but I DO know that I posted up a rumor about it being 'E-10+' a while ago. But... T? Spam. Definitely spam. --Ultimate 13:13, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Sonic Stadium References

I noticed that the 5th and 10th references on this page (Both to Sonic Stadium) have disappeared from their news archives. Could this possibly mean that they retract that information reguarding this game or am I just confused and missing something? 68.96.78.82 22:51, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

I'd PM DreadKnux about it, but I have to go into town for two hours. --DavidHOzAu 04:17, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Actually, my guess is that Sonic Team found out about it, and had TSS remove them. But... they were removed? I didn't notice that. --Ultimate 15:58, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

I emailed Kieran B about the article a few weeks ago. Apparently, he didn't like the effect the news has had on the community. It had caused more anger among fans than he had felt it was worth, so he decided to have it removed. He also heard that his source while reliable, tended to play pratical jokes. So another reason was to protect the TSS' credablity. In my opinion, it was a wise choice. Some of that information was false, and, with all respect to Kieran, he did rush that article a bit and made some mistakes. The speculation sections were not a good idea either. --One Classy Bloke 09:45, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Nova

In an interview, Nakamaru said the fourth mysterious hedgehog is indeed Nova and she is female. Also He said one of the old character returning is either Fang, Mighty, or Bean or Bark. He also said something about Metal Sonic....

Please provide some kind of proof. -Sukecchi 21:18, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Alright, It was in some site that I forgot, seriously.

Unfortunately that's not enough proof. BlazeHedgehog 20:06, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

AHA! I remember now, It was on IGN! Altough it could be a rumor, please don't hurt me for brining this up!! If this is fake, I'm sorry!

Sorry, but I checked out IGN, and I didn't see ANY interviews, let alone one with Nakamura confirming this info. Like they'd release info about scrapped characters returning when they haven't even confirmed if Tails, Knuckles, Amy, or Rouge would appear or not yet. Sorry, but unless if you can give us a direct source, we're not buying it until some info is revealed... well, at least I'M not. --Ultima 18:54, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

I can't help but think of that rumor of the "purple cowboy" rumor a while back for Sonic Riders. Reading this made me smile a bit. :) Knuckles sonic8 17:01, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Rosxs 16 July- That would be so cool if they brought back on of those old characters! I'd love to see them brought up to date! Is Nova that hegdehog that they said would be the crystal hedgehog?

Yeah, but I don't see an image of a crystal hedgehog in my head. I mean maybe a sculpture of a hedgehog made of crystal. Besides, if the name Nova is actually canon (which I doubt) then I'm geussing it would be a red-yellowy-orange like mixed fire or lava but trapped inside a hedgehog shaped see through crystal spirit or something. Cause isn't a nova one of them exploding stars. Like super nova. Hey! They could easily make SuperNova. Like how Sonic is called Sonic cause he's faster than soun an SuperSonic cause SuperSonic mean a hundred times faster than sound. What if they he a meaning name like Super Nova. But then he'd probably die. Eh heh heh heh. Axidous 16, July 2006

Rumoured or expected characters

I'm deleting that section. The "source" it links to says the story doesn't exist, and was probably speculative anyway. Not to mention it's all original research Xubelox 01:02, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

You assume too much. I beleive somewhere on this mess of a talk page, somebody was going to contact DreadKnux (who runs the Sonic Stadium) as to why the news story vanished; but it wasn't speculative at the time. Besides, doesn't the header of the page itself say the information will likely change before release? If this was a game that was already released and there was weird speculative information on the page, I'd say get rid of it... but this is information from a source that quite a few people here seem to trust. If you remove it, it'll likely just get put back by somebody else. Whatever happened to "The General Consensus"? Isn't that what Wikipedia is all about? BlazeHedgehog 12:22, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

I'd say it's a good idea to keep it removed (unless you haven't removed it yet), but the source IS a well-trusted one. The reason I say to keep it off is two-fold. One, more and likely someone's going to re-post it anyway. And two, that info hasn't actually been confirmed yet. Due to the source, though, it's mostlikely true, but you never know. However, as BlazeHedgehog said, the game ISN'T out yet. Nothing can be known until either it gets confirmed by SEGA, or until the game is released. For all we know, SEGA could secretly be planning on to bring back Maria as a hedgehog, or to make Blaze really Elise from the future. --Ultima 21:49, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

AHEM!!!! Wierd. Axidous 10, July 2006

Does the header say speculative info is appropriate? No, it just says it's likely. It's still discouraged. Unless this DreadKnux has inside info on Sega, it is not 100% verifiable and doesn't belong here. Wikipedia is not about original research, which is what that section was. Xubelox 01:02, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

About? Wikipedia isn't about anything. It's an encyclopidia. But I get your point. Hey, question though, what about rumours I've heard outside and offline in the real world? I won't be able to give a source you could find and people here might have never heard the rumor. So would I still be able to post them in romours> Axidous 16, July 2006

The Main Story The Truth From The Horses Mouth

Its completely true that "Sonic" is the "Iblis Trigger". I know cause the giant "Fire Creature" at the beginning of the game preview is called "Iblis". When "Eggman" captured the princess, "Sonic" went after him. But somewhere along the way, or in the game,"Sonic" causes some sort of "Chain Reaction" or something dealling with events or something he does I don't remember. But it is said to end up setting "Iblis" free. "Silver" comes in the story cause he has come from the future to stop "Sonic" from causing the "Chain Reaction" and freeing "Iblis" from "slumber". Thats why "Sonic" has to fight "Silver" so much, "Silver" isn't bad, he's just trying to save the future....... He must not have much fate in how "SuperSonic" could probably easiely beat "Iblis". Tho I did hear some rumor about "Silver" being "Shadow's" "grandson" or something, but I myself don't quite believe it. Well, thats all I know for now, If I get any more info I'll let u all know.

3th, June 2006

You offer zero proof of this claim besides abusing formatting tags. For all we know, you could be any random person making up any random claims. The information contained within this article is based on far more solid evidence than you have provided us with. BlazeHedgehog 03:39, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Though he is probably right about Silver not being evil and only stopping sonic from destroying the place all around. But I don't think Sonic is actually the thing that destroys, but is done by accident and even Eggman probably doesn't want all that to happen unless he was posessed or something. He doesn't sound like he's gonna destroy the world and kill people in the trailer. Besides why hold someone hostage if you're gonna kill them? They would know that people would be safer not to reveal the secret even if it means sacrificing herself, unless she's stupid and greedy. I thought I saw that fire creature throwing parts of buildings and it looked like he was in Crisis City, even in some backgrounds. Shadow could reproduce like the Biolizard, cuase he's the second most ultimate life form, but by his new personality, which has lost my interest, doesn't fit the type who would care to have any children. Not to mention they would look exactly like him. I like Shadow's voice and personality in Sonic Adventure 2 the most. Plus they made him look different. But in the newer games they're starting to make him return to being more like him Adventure series verion. PS: There's no sutch thing as 3th. Axidous 10, July 2006

And how is it u know all this in the first place? Did u get it from a random site or what?

No. KatariG4 14, July

Probably guessed his ass off! Axidous 14, July 2006

Hell Ya!!

No. KatariG4 14, July 2066

That story looks very possible and given the Adventure games' stories and overall development. Maybe that E3 demo of Silver in Crisis City (if it's canon) takes place in the future where Silver belongs, immediately before "time travelling". But, if the E3 demo was done only to show Silver's gameplay and it's non-canon, then I know jack squat. ChaosAngelZero

Are you raelly the person who put that there, or are you new, or did you just mess up? cause you did that thing with your signiture and made it have a box around ir. Don't worry. I fixed it for ya. You had a space right in front of it so it made the box. Axidous 16, July 2006

Ok so ChaosAngelZero, your saying u actually agree with the guy? Oh, and Axy I got the vid u sent, its ok but Zay completly killed it!:)

No. KatariG4 July 2006

DAMMIT, Katari!!! What the hell are you talking about? What does that have to do with this? Besides, it is very close to the actually stoy. It sounds pretty much just like all the other stories of this game on every other website (including this one) I've been to. Axidous 19, July 2006

Rosxs 6/8/06- That is the story, I read it in a playstation magazine. But doesn't Silver say that Sonic IS the trigger? Wait... I just got that! He's the "trigger" to awaken Ibils! That makes perfect sence!

Mysterious

I heard a while back that the 4th hedgehog, or "Nova", was a character that we would all recognize. But I don't remember where I heard it, if it's true, and if it is then how come I don't remember that name in the Sonic series. And about Nazo, when I firt saw him it said something like If you saw the ending of Sonic The Hedgehog The Movie then you'll be surprised or something like that. I was thinking of Metal Sonic, or Metal as they call him, and how in Sonic Heroes he had a slight glow to him everytime he changed, but the I saw the picture of Nazo a bit closer and he didn't look anything like Metal or a robot at all. So what's the deal here? Axidous 10, July 2006

Well, what exactly are you talking about? There currently is no information about the "fourth hedgehog", and anything you hear is likely false. Whenever you are told anything, especially in the Sonic community, always demand proof - and if you don't get proof, do not believe them. BlazeHedgehog 01:11, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Don't worry. I usaully don't automatically disbeleive stuff but I don't justbeleive stuff either. So where the hell did the name Nova come from? I don't actually go around searching for sites with information. Axidous 11, July 2006

Ugh, not the Nova thing again. "Nova" was invented by some guy on Gamespot/Gamefaqs. He said that she was the fourth hedgehog to appear in the game. Well, at least we think the name was invented by him. It's pretty logical, though there's always the chance that he WAS correct. That's where 'Nova' came from. --Ultima 22:08, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

I hope I don't sound insulting but I just don't get it. If people are so tired of a sertain subject then why do they read it? Can't they just stay out of it and go to a subject they like or skip that part of the subject? Axidous 16, July 2006

Music Section

Is this even necersary?With all hope, Crush 40 (hopefully) will be doing most of the music.(damn I love those guys' music)

I don't get it. "Replacing all the VAs for 4kids VAs" FOR WHAT?!!! To make them the same as the cartoon. The cartoon only showed stuff from Sonic Adventure and Sonic Advnture 2, and kinda from Sonic Battle. But the show's already over unless they make another season! Unless more of Sonic X actually shows suff from continuing games there's no point to it. Why was the music replaced? I know it wasn't replace by 4kids music (that'd be stupid like hell) but what is so special about the new music that Crush40 can't play it? Axidous 13, July 2006

They didn't replace the music, they only replaced the va's. Also, there WILL be a fourth season of Sonic X. That's been confirmed. There is still being music done by Crush 40 (or so it seems--I'm positive that the main theme is actually Crush 40's doing), but they took a break in Sonic Riders and Sonic Rush. Also, the reason to use bands other than Crush 40 is that not everbody likes them. Hell, not everybody KNOWS them, let alone like them. Not even every Sonic fan likes their music. A lot of fans HATE Crush 40. Using more well-known bands (or at least other bands in general) can get others attracted to Sonic music. They definitely aren't abandoning Crush 40, though. I can guarantee you that. In fact, as I've stated, I think that the new main theme is done by Crush 40. --Ultima 02:33, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

How do you know there's been a season 4 confirmed? I'm not doubting you but I just want to see where you heard that from, in case I'm missing something, or it's a lie. Axidous 14, July 2006

'Eh, a number of sites have been talking about it for a while. Sonic HQ revealed it first, though. Apparently, TMS Entertainment's website stated a few projects they were working on, including Sonic X. I'm not sure if it specifically stated a new season or not, but that's about all they could do, so I'm assuming that's what they meant. Someone translated the information off of the site and posted on Sonic HQ's news thing. --Ultima 20:59, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Here's a wonder. How do we know the translation is correct? How many diferent people have translated it? I'm sure those who know Japanese would know but those who don't can't tell if it's true or not. See it's wierd cuase wikipedia uses sources for stuff but that sometimes is the same as no source at all. Sometimes the source has no source for it's page and it is made up. Not saying it always is though. but also, season 3 has not aired yet in Japan but have been made so season 3 can't be in production unless they're remaking it. I'm not saying it will or even might but I'm just saying it's na opportunity as season 4 could still pick up where the games left off with Sonic Heroes.

Reasons I beleive so:

Shadow (still alive) has dissappeared in his Super form like at the end of Adventure 2. Not to mention there would be no point to make him come back with amnesia (which he still had) like the games if he doesn't figure out his past.

Team Chaotix did start showing up more so they could finally role into regular average attention characters like in Heroes.

In the games you think Sonic Heroes is right after adventure 2 but we know something happened in between. Even if they don't show the rest of the games we know it's the same story and will technically have continued to the game stories anyways. Plus in Sonic Heroes Sonic says "long tim no see" which is impossible since they came back to Earth together but at the end of Sonic X we don't see Sonic with Tails. We see him runnig looking at Chris while Tails goes out in the X Tornado.

They're back on their own planet and in Sonic Heroes it doesn't look like Earth so much (especially with the chekers design in the grass and walls).

Metal Sonic would be on the show (seems interesting).

Shadow could still use a gus because I've seen soldiers in episode 3 shooting at Knuckles and Loen holding a laser gun to Eggman in episode 68. They just wouldn't show the people actually getting shot, but maybe the aleins just it wouldn't break the sin but they'd probably fall out anyways. Or they could just show him use his mornal attacks.

The voices from the show are now used in the new games to be the same but Adventure 1 and 2 are still the same and besides Emerl showing up those are the only two games so far the make an appearance on the show and they'd need to make the show off the newer games to truely match the cartoon and the games.

Sonic Rush could soon enter ever beacuase the artwork for it is the same as the others which is what Sonic X's designs are from.

They never really said it was just for the adventure series cuase they only last 12 episode of the entire show and because they show'd Emerl. Though they have yet to show Gemerl.

Plus all the universes have shown something from the game and have created the own saga to last and not be shown in the others so the game story is basically the main story. From the old games to the new games the seem to mention or hint something from the other games. Many beleive team chaotix was only canon in that universe till it showed up in Heroes proving they're the same universe. They even say "long time no see". Sonic X shows the adventure series so it's mainly based on the games along with their own mini series of events.

There's also someone else taking over Sonic so even if there were plans not to do so he could have changed that.

Well this was a lot more space then I ment to take up and I know it's only on this topic just by a thread but really these are my reasons, only to hope, not to say what is. Axidous 16,July 2006

If sega bring in the 4Kids guys (makes obscene gesture) they die...

Ahh.. true. He hee. |:D But what other choice is there unless we force our way into taking over to do it our way but then that would be too much for something stupid like this and the good VAs wouldn't do it,

• holds gun to head* unless we make them. Buuhwah hah ha! Yeah..that ain't aboutta happen...right? *scared like hell* Eh heh heh heh.

Axidous 17,July 2006

Er, bring me up to date

I'm from a website that has been following this game, but seems to have been taking into account the "Nova" information and rumours that guy spread. I've since heard that they're no longer valid. Since I'm hella confused, could you tell me:

• (a) All the claims that person made
• (b) Why they were invalidated.

I understand they are part of Sega/Sonic Team but I don't know any more than that and frankly rumours are firing over my head, kinda like jokes but less entertaining. :-P Anyhow, thanks for any information. 86.136.134.76 17:25, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

'Nova' has NOT been proven wrong. We are assuming it is, though, due to the fact that the same guy also posted false info about the *ahem* 'ending.' For one, he stated that Knuckles DIED (which can't happen in the ending, or else it'd leave huge plotholes for Sonic Rivals) and for two, it's just something that Sonic Team wouldn't do. That's why we assume it's incorrect. Really, though, the only thing proven wrong as of yet is the ending he provided, but it's highly likely that 'Nova' is also incorrect because of that. His other statements (not the one about Nova; that can't be proven wrong yet) makes him an unreliable source. Admittedly, though, there are a few things which CAN throw the theory about Nova off. If the info provided by SomeClassyBloke is correct, then the fourth hedgehog's name starts with 'M,' is difficult to spell, and the fourth hedgehog is also supposed to be crytalline colored, while Nova is said to be orange. It doesn't prove it wrong, though. --Ultima 22:06, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

I would just like to point out, it is much safer to assume that the "Nova" information and anything related to it is wrong. While we cannot prove it is false, it is much safer note that we cannot prove it is true, either, which to many, including myself, accounts for far more. The post regarding a lot of the information that used to be in this article was removed from the Sonic Stadium, which is why it was removed from Wikipedia. I, personally, never really trusted the Sonic Stadium information anyway. I do, however, mostly trust OneClassyBloke, as he has proven to me that he is legitimate. But that is neither here, nor there, nor can he really be cited as a concrete source effectively in the article itself. OneClassyBloke has never claimed the name of the so-called "fourth hedgehog", and the one time he did, he admitted he was simply joking around just to see what would happen. BlazeHedgehog 22:47, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

May I just say that it's probably best to say it would be safer not to assume it's true and not to assume it's false but to assume there's always a possbility nomatter how bizzare cuase we just don't know yet. There's actually no such thing as a concrete soure becuase everybody makes mistakes even if they themselves don't know it. Axidous 19, July 2006

Game/Cartoon story connection

And why haven't they made a game with Sonia and Manic yet. They have a game for all the other cartoons. Which reminds me in the games they're part of the same story, drawn the same on the cover, a part of different Sonic cartoons, and the game is the official story, so that means all the cartoons are part of the same story (just with a few changes over real life time like Mario). It makes since. The only real difference is the different voice actors, different animators, and the different writters, but a lot of episodes are drawn an animated by different people sometimes even in the same show. There're sometimes more than one person taking turns doing a characters voice. I think they did that a lot on Sailor Moon. Sonic Spinball was Sonic SatAM, Dr. Robotnik's Mean Bean Machine was Adventures Of Sonic The Hedghog(cartoon based off Sonic 1, 2, 3, Knuckles, follows same saga), Sonic Undergroug showed another version of Sonic meeting Knuckles so I guess that fits Sonic the Hedgehog 3 & Knuckles, Sonic X is basd on the newer design of Sonic along with showing stuff from the newer games (and some from the older games as well. Example: Dark Super Sonic, Flickies, Team Chaotix: new and old, Sonic can't swim, never heard in games but in Sonic Movie and Sonic Underground: also shows Knuckles' spinning fist attack that's never seen until Sonic Heroes with Sonic and Tails holding on to his hands. Omega's hands were on the outside.) Ooops. Damn, talk about a mouth full of crap. That's a lot. My bad ya'll. ^_^; Axidous 19, July 2006

Not many people like Sonic Underground, and, outside of Sonic X, all of the Sonic cartoons are really, really old. I mean, I watched most of the Sonic cartoons when I was a kid - and now I'm 23 years old! Sega doesn't want to market a Sonic game to me anymore, because they think I'm too old for Sonic. The majority of their demographic is the 10-14 bracket. Those kids don't know what Sonic Underground, AoStH, or any of that is. Not only that, but those old cartoons severely contradict 99.9% of everything that's taken place in the games, especially since 1999, when plot became a stronger part of the Sonic narrative. BlazeHedgehog 16:31, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

I sorta agree. I didn't like Sonic Undergroung. Not the music, not the sound effects, and worst of all is Sonic Underground is where I first heard a lot of those sounds and now I hear them in other shows. Sonic wasn't even fast and the drew them too bubbly looking. However, I do like Sonia and Manic. I also like Sleet (don't really give a damn about Dingo). Even just a few months ago (from kids and adults) it seems that when they talked about Sonic they mostly said they liked the green one, Manic. It be at least neat if they took turns using the old characters in new stuff to at least refresh them the way they did with Metal Sonic, Flicky, Team Chaotix, and the name Robotnik. In the games and the cartoon he still every once in a while mentions his real name Robotnik. They could change the background story of the old characters to fit the new one or not mention the background story like with Team Chaotix. Besides, since many kids today know nothing of the old charaters then when they come back it'll be like totally new characters to the kids, and they could change the design around a bit. Metal Sonic however looks exactly the same.In a way the remade the characters Scratch, Grounder, and Coconuts in Sonic X with Decco Bocco and Bokkun. I always thought those guys reminded me of them and then I discovered Bokkun really is robot. Decco is tall and skinny like Scratch, Bocco is short and stubby like Grounder, and Bokun is the really little one who's not always there like Coconuts. Other than that though they're totally different but you see my point right? Now Sonic is only 15 years old so when you say you played it when you were a kid you ment it came out originally when you wer 8. That's not too young. You were almost a decade already and Sonic's just now a decade and a half. Besides a lot of people who really pay attension to Soni between the ages of 10 up to our age really know about those characters because they go on the internet to find out. I had Some 7th grader come up to me and tell Shadow's original name which starts with a "T". Of course I already new that but some other kids seem to remember Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog the most and there are a lot of cool stuff on the old cartoons that aren't in the new versions. Besides it was 1998 in America (when I first heard of Sonic Adventure). "Mouth Full"" ^-^' Axidous 20,July 2006

There's another thing to add onto Blaze's comment. Unlike Blaze, I'm not 23 years old. I'm actually only 16. I never was able to watch the cartoons when I was young much, and personally, I don't even care for them. However, I can tell you this. If Sonic Team wanted to throw comic/cartoon characters in the game, then they'd have to re-develop every last one of them, explain the plots for each one they add, etc. They can't simply add in a character from a different series without explaining who they are! That would just take so much time, and most of the plotline would be screwed up because of it, and it wouldn't be possible. They also may have to simply redevelop the character to fit in the games. In that case, fans of the original character would be mad that they got changed. It's much easier to simply make a new character instead of bringing one back. Even in the games, it's still much easier to make a new character instead of bringing ONE of the old characters back. They had to redevelop Chaotix, and they'd have to do it for Fang, Ray, Mighty, etc., in order to bring them back. And it's EASIER to do Sonic Team characters than characters from other continuities. Bah, big block of text there... *sigh* --Ultima 01:15, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

...... What? Why do poeple make life sound so difficult when it's the most simple thing in the world? It isn't hard to bring back an old character. The storyline doesn't have to change considering all the universes are on the same main story besides the details. They wouldn't have bought back Team Chaotix if it ws so hard. Sonic was created in 1991. That wasn't a long time ago. DragonBall Z is way older and everyone seems to know their story. Besides bringing back old characters helps with designing. Not as much work has to be done besides a few changes. If the old version didn't get as many fans then they don't have to wory about people disliking the changes. If the inprove then most will like it better. Even if not, they've done things fans didn't like before and someone can change their mind about stuff anytime they want even when least expected. Besides, I am not really that old either. I'm only 14 and was born just a few months from the first release so I'm nearly the same age as the Sonic franchise and I was able to se all the versions, and able to tell that they all seem th same to me, storywise. Axidous 25, July 2006

Boy do you have lots of learning to do. Let's start with classic characters first, shall we? The reason it's difficult to bring them back is because they'd have to re-design them. Why? Because they had little-to-no backstory to begin with, with little-to-no known personality, as well. They'd have to re-design them to bring them back mainly for this reason, not because of differences between the classics and recent games. They did it with Chaotix, and they'd also have to do it with others. Then go a step further. Try bringing in some characters from other continuities. Oh boy, now we REALLY have a problem. Despite what you have seen, the other continuities have HUGE differences between the games. The main exception to this is Sonic X, but that also contradicts the main series. Archie has a planet called Mobius, formerly called 'Earth,' but then the anthros became the dominant species. The problem with this is that the games simply have 'Earth,' with anthros featured but humans still being the dominant species. Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog isn't too bad. SatAM is just as bad as Archie, and so is Fleetway. Fleetway's Amy, for one, is totally screwed up. Mighty was never strong in the other continuities, and only appeared in two games, anyway. As for Sally and the Freedom Fighters, no mention of them has ever appeared in the games (with the exceptions of perhaps Dr. Robotnik's Mean Bean Machine, and Sonic Spinball--both of which were licensed but not supported by SEGA of Japan, making them un-canonical). If they suddenly appeared out of nowhere, it'd screw everything up. Then Sonic Underground has Sonic with a brother and a sister. No mention of Sonic having relatives have even been mentioned. If Sonia and Manic suddenly appeared, what would become of the plots made thus far?! Sonic X is bad, though not as bad. However, Shadow the Hedgehog totally screws up the whole idea of Sonic X being able to connect with the games. Not to mention their version of Sonic Battle is completely different. The whole world merging thing was also used in Sonic Rush, so that too screws it up. There has never been a mention about Sonic and friends being from another world in the games--Sonic X coming out as canon would wipe any notion of that out. Also, neither Sonic Heroes nor Shadow the Hedgehog occured in Sonic X--Season 3 replaces them. So you see, anything and everything is screwed up by using even ONE other continuity. Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog was too basic to even count, but it too would ruin the plot of the games. --Ultima 04:33, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Ok, first of all, not really. They don't have to do anything since they do own the whole thing. Second, Sonic X would technically only be canon involving Sonic Adventure and Sonic Adventure two since the whole thing of the first 26 episodes were completely made up to by time into every day episodes. Now they didn't really do any change to Team Chaotix besides the way they look which they didn't have to do but looks cooler. They never mention their background story at all in the games or cartoons. Sonia and Manic.. since they've never been mentioned besides Sonic Undergroung it would be easy to bring them up. They were all freedom fighters but mainly the reason those 3 stuck together in a group was to find their mother and become 4. That's a small detail that can easily be changed just like how in Sonic X Tails used the X Tornado instead of the Tornado 2 fron the SA2 saga. Plus you could do the whole "long-time-no-see" thing. They would still live in Sonic's world just probable not with them. It is an entire planet in case people forgot. They never Mentioned Sonic Heroes but had the need to show Team Chaotix for some reason, wonder why. At the end so far they show Shadow leave pretty much the same way as in the end of SA2 saga so from there the could still continue to Heroes, especially since Shadow hadn't solved his past yet. Shadow the hedgehog could happen because they for one have shown guns in Sonic X (episode 3: Soldiers shoot at Knuckles) and two even if the don't in the cartoon Shadow can use his own abilties like always and swear in Japanese until dubbed into english. No biggy. Some stuff created from the english versions do spill into the Japanese versions like in Mario with the name Bowser. Sonic X only shows from going to moderm Earth through Sa sagas and going back to fight aliens but everything before the isn't mentioned so it wouldn't be hard. Learn? They already taught me what I needed to know when I became the country's youngest cartoon story writter. If I'm gonna be professioning in that subject I need to know these things, especially staring so young. Unfortunately there are some who started younger than me but that's not our topic. The art style definately isn't SA art style. Just that's where it started. Obviously seen as in the art for the 15th aniversery, Sonic Rush, Team Chaotix in Sonic X, Sonic Battle(which was basically still the same), and Sonic Advance 1, 2, and 3. The comics are the most uncanon storylines for Sonic there is. We know there's a Metal Sonic, a Death Egg, an Angel Island, a Team Chaotix, an Amy, a Super Sonic, Chaos meralds...etc. Plus we know that Sonic X and newer games have connections with Fang/Nack, Ray, Mighty, and Metal Sonic through Team Chaotix(especially in the games). Since there's a connection with Metal Sonic that means there's one to Metal Knuckles, Tails Doll, and EggRobo(proven in SA2 as Eggrobo is an unlockable character). The Sonic OVA is just to have a movie because the story isn't right as Metal Sonic in the games was introduced with Amy who is now in the newer version but not Sonic OVA. In Sonic OVA it also seems to have a small uncanon connection with DragonBall series as Sarah has a brown tail like a Saiyan and the animation and art are as in the DragonBall sereis. Since they haven't shown all or hardly much of any of Sonic's world at all they have yet to show Robotropolis where Sonia and Manic might be if Sonic ever decide to return there again one day. Ever heard of "this is where I grew up" and "I haven't seen you for ages"? Besides, if it does ruin the plot of the game.. then they already did that when Sonic Heroes continued for SA2 as the worlds were different(seems like in Sonic X after the Meterex saga to me, both with the wholeShadow thing and being back on their own planet). Shadow the Hedgehog from Sonic Heroes too. Shadow came from gay and needy to evil hero and violent...back on earth! You'd say they never mention being in different worlds in the games but I doubt that Grand Metropolis is in the same world as Station Square or Centrel City. Then there's Sonic riders, all futuristic and stuff yet having a level in a place from SA( Sand Hill to Sand Ruins). Not to mention Sonic already knew how to use hovr boards like in Sonic Underground and Sonic X. I can see why it's so hard to make a super form for Tails and Knuckles since it's hard to come up with a design for someone who looks like them. They finally tried it foor Blaze...didn'twork out as well. Shadow hardly changes, although he did look better when he was more whitish and less yellow like Sonic. I've got many reasons. Axidous 26, July 2006

Ugh, I don't want to get into this argument AGAIN. I already tried this with a guy from Concept: Mobius. No matter how many times I explain to him continuous proof that Sonic X is NOT canon, he makes up some lame excuses. Sonic X isn't canon. Period. I have proof that clearly points against it. In Shadow the Hedgehog, you obviously know how this MUST take place on Earth. In Shadow the Hedgehog, the Black Comet comes around every fifty years. Yes, we know this. Shadow was sealed away fifty years ago. Shadow was not only created, but also put in suspended animation... exactly fifty years ago. If Sonic X was canon, though, by the time Sonic and crew got back to Earth it would be six years after the Black Arms attacked. I highly doubt it was late--the little newspaper in Shadow the Hedgehog clearly states that this was the fifty year return of the Black Comet. Instant plothole right there, totally wiping out any notion. Then you try to tell me that the technology in both Future City and in Grand Metropolis (which I still think is the same exact location) is too advanced for Earth's technology. Ah, no. Shadow the Hedgehog had advanced technology, with modern-looking cities. Sonic Riders takes place on Earth--the planet is called this multiple times in the game. GUN, Ark, and Eggman are also signs of advanced technology on Sonic's world. Future City is simply a further advanced city than that of Central City. It's like comparing Tokyo to Washington D.C. Sonic Rush features GUN robots, instantly forcing that to take place on Earth, rendering any arguments from there useless. Sonia and Manic couldn't fit in the games. This is due to the fact that no reference to them has ever been made before, nor anything of Sonic having relatives at all. Suddenly making relatives appear out of nowhere with no explanation screws it up. You already stated that the comics can't be related to the games, I have no need to reference that. As for classic characters, I never said they couldn't return, I said that it's easier to design a new character instead of bringing back an old one. Excellant reasons include them having to be re-designed, and also because of fan reactions. And, of course, you're not going to read my statements, and instead throw out your own little ideas and try to get me to listen to them. A likely end is that an admin or mod will prevent us from updating. I sure are optimistic, aren't I? Besides, this is way off-topic already, isn't it? --Ultima 01:59, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Not really. It's kinda slow around here and besides, it not as bad as the PC brochure picture thing. But If saying it can happen but it's easier to make up new characters thn I guess I'll agree to that. And Sonic X isn't canon? Well duh. Look what they did to the Egg Carrier. Both Egg Carrier 1 and 2 were destroyed. It would have to be a number 3 for it to combine with the other ships like at ep 52. I liked it better when it was first made. But Grand Metropolis is Eggman's city, and Eggman was the one dealing with that red energy going through the pipes, so I'm thinking the only way maybe if it was on Earth it was something that came from Sonic's world or newly built. Sonic Rush was two dimendions. it didn't take place in just one place. I think shadow the Hedgehog was a little too different in style to the other games cause the story in the cut scenes and stuff was cheap. The 50 yaers thing I think they were just too childish to put as much detail as the other stoies yet not childish to put guns and curse words which are connected with each other in religon. It's for teens but I let a little kid about 8 years old play it and he was able to beat it way too easily so the game was cheap. The fact that the black arms actually waited 50 years just to get into earths atmosphere was stupid, especially since there were aliens that could teleport and Black Doom was in front of Shadow on Earth at the time. Besides they've made changes before in Sonic X so I doubt they'd have trouble doing so in this. The newspaper, like they're gonna remember to put that. They've done stupid things before. Chris turned to a kid cause they didn't feel like drawing chris as an adult for the whole season. And maybe on the way back something happened to where since he's a kid when Sonic comes back he'll be back like a few weeks after he left and the chris ther who actually is still a kid on't remember a thing about the Meterex. Who knows what stupid thing they'll do. But Sonia and Manic nevr being mentioned makes it EASIER cause it'll be a "I didn't know you had a brother and sister, Sonic" type of thing. He'll be like " yeah, haven't seen them in a long time." I mean look at what else makes no since. Cosmo went out searching for the one who could use the Chaos Emeralds. How does she know about Sonic? They can't possibly know about someone from another planet who hasn't been all over. I thought I saw Cosmo fly away after the exposion of the giant planet egg, yet "she's dead"? How can you tell someone to trust you and just lie to them like that and let'em kill ya. But really. How could Sonic iders have taken place on Earth? There were no human seen, hover boads, hover cars, well actually everything hovered, even the robots in the courses. Sand Ruins was from Sand Hill in SA but Sand Hill is an Echidna place from within the Echidna Jungle where there was also an Echidna temple with a mural on it all on the other side of the new mountain that wasn't there before cause it's part of Angel Island which came from Sonic's world. Now I've said this before... they don't "HAVE" to change any character designs to bring them to the newer games. And I'm sure many fans would be happy to see there favorite old characters again. Cause there are a lot of normal fans, unlike us, who just watch and play the stuff and don't criticize as much. Us... well look at us. We are just too picky and too persistent to even admit our own mistakes or admit when we're wrong. That reminds me, all this isn't being said that I beleive it will happen, just that it could, and there is popbably thing I'm wrong on and things I am right on, as the same goes for Ultima the Hedgehog, so I would also like to mntion that I am not forcing anyone to reply to this, not to mention I can't. Thankya. [[[User:Axidous|Axidous]] 28, July 2006

• Please don't type like this. 86.143.157.188 11:37, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

What in the name of everything good does any of this entire talk section have to do with the Sonic the Hedgehog (2006) game, or its article? Emcee N 15:07, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

...it doesn't. I know that I shouldn't have replied to it in the first place, but I did, so it's partially my fault that it continued. I'm just so sick and tired of nonsense like this! So, that's why I got a little out of hand there. Heh. --69.210.146.0 17:43, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, this post was mine. I didn't realize that I wasn't logged in when I posted it, and when I realized it, I thought someone would think I stole someone else's statement if I went back and fixed the signature. That's why whenever I screw up like that, I simply don't mess with it. Ugh, I gotta' remember to check and see if I'm logged in... --Ultima 17:47, 4 August 2006 (UTC)