Talk:Socrates of Constantinople

Novatianism

It would be useful to mention Socrates' awareness of Novationism. Other up-dated information can be obtained from Sources Chretiennes----Clive Sweeting

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Beatus Rhenanus Historia Ecclesiastica

How about his translation? It was published before the greek original!--2002:8B1E:8039:0:0:0:8B1E:8039 (talk) 08:21, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

Article Title

I offer this as a justification for the current article title, Socrates of Constantinople, over the alternative Socrates Scholasticus.

Google Ngrams seems to show an overwhelming preference for Socrates Scholasticus. It seems editors have disagreed on this before:

1. 14 March 2002 - article created at Socrates Scholasticus from an unidentified old encyclopedia
2. 12 February 2007 Wetman moved page Socrates Scholasticus to Socrates of Constantinople
3. 21 July 2009 Pmanderson moved page Socrates of Constantinople to Socrates Scholasticus
4. 25 August 2009 Brandizzi moved page Socrates Scholasticus to Socrates of Constantinople

Contemporary scholarship is divided on use of the term:

Socrates of Constantinople

1. Urbainczyk, T. (1997). Socrates of Constantinople: Historian of Church and State. University of Michigan Press. ISBN 978-0-472-10737-7.
2. Williams, Megan (26 October 2012). "Socrates of Constantinople". In Bagnall, Roger S.; Brodersen, Kai; Champion, Craige B.; Erskine, Andrew; Huebner, Sabine R. (eds.). The Encyclopedia of Ancient History. Hoboken, NJ, USA: John Wiley & Sons, Inc. doi:10.1002/9781444338386.wbeah05192. ISBN 978-1-4443-3838-6.
3. Rohrbacher, David (15 April 2013). "Socrates". The Historians of Late Antiquity. Routledge. p. 108-116. doi:10.4324/9780203458754. ISBN 978-0-203-45875-4. {{cite book}}: Invalid |ref=harv (help)

Socrates Scholasticus

1. Van Nuffelen, Peter (1 March 2005). "Two Fragments from the Apology for Origen in the Church History of Socrates Scholasticus". The Journal of Theological Studies. 56 (1). Oxford University Press (OUP): 103–114. doi:10.1093/jts/fli005. ISSN 1477-4607.
2. Farkas, Zoltán (1 May 2005). "Socrates Scholasticus on Greek Paideia". Acta Antiqua. 45 (2). Akademiai Kiado Zrt.: 187–192. doi:10.1556/aant.45.2005.2-3.7. ISSN 0044-5975.
3. Quiroga Puertas, Alberto J. (6 March 2015). "The Literary Connoisseur. Socrates Scholasticus on Rhetoric, Literature and Religious Orthodoxy". Vigiliae Christianae. 69 (2). Brill Academic Publishers: 109–122. doi:10.1163/15700720-12341184. ISSN 0042-6032.
4. Gardiner, L. C. A. (2013). 'The truth is bitter' : Socrates Scholasticus and the writing of a history of the Christian Roman empire (PhD). doi:10.17863/CAM.11792.
5. Buck, David F. (2003). "SOCRATES SCHOLASTICUS ON JULIAN THE APOSTATE". Byzantion. 73 (2). Peeters Publishers: 301–318. JSTOR 44172600.

The push for Socrates of Constantinople has been led solely by Urbainczyk, who is the clear best source on Socrates. Furthermore, the term "Scholasticus" had a meaning of lawyer, and Urbainczyk has argued that Socrates was not a lawyer, making this name misleading. (Rohrbacher 2013)

Given that Urbainczyk is the best source and has now been followed by some other scholars, I support Socrates of Constantinople as the name used in the best current scholarship, despite the ongoing greater prevalence of Socrates Scholasticus. I offer this for other well-read editors who may be surprised by this title. Daask (talk) 18:59, 24 September 2018 (UTC)