Talk:Snow on the Beach

Radio Single Release

I think that this song should be classified as a single. A Billboard director announced that promotion began for it at Triple A radio back in November (https://twitter.com/gthot20/status/1588265840863940609), and it was the most added song to that format that week. It's been charting on Billboard's Adult Alternative Airplay chart for 9 weeks, and neither artist has ever had a non-single on that chart. I think it's safe to say that this is a single. 71.234.178.78 (talk) 04:20, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

Absolutely agree. But sadly en.wiki community don't want to identify it as a single... 31.159.104.101 (talk) 18:49, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

Two newly created IP accounts "agreeing" to "make" SOTB a single on Wikipedia is not the "consensus" you think it is. As per WP:SINGLESCRIT, SOTB cannot be considered a single as no reliable source has been cited. Regards. ℛonherry☘ 06:23, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

GA Review

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Reviewer: Ippantekina (talk · contribs) 03:34, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Happy to take up this review as I'm not a main contributor of this article. Will try to be as neutral as I can. Ippantekina (talk) 03:34, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Hey @Ippantekina! I believe all comments are addressed and you can review the edits I made. Gained (talk) 08:38, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

On first glance the article is in good shape. This first review will focus on the prose.

Lead

• "Snow on the Beach" is a song by the American singer-songwriter Taylor Swift featuring the American singer-songwriter Lana Del Rey somehow clunky.. I suggest something like: ""Snow on the Beach" is a song from the American singer-songwriter Taylor Swift's tenth studio album, Midnights (2022). The song features the American singer-songwriter Lana Del Rey." Repharsed.
• a dream pop tune featuring a midtempo, wintery production "wintery" is POV Removed.
• a version featuring "More Lana Del Rey", with additional vocals from the artist pretty self-explanatory Removed.
• on the United States' Billboard Hot 100 "US Billboard Hot 100" for concision Implemented.

Background

• and that it features the American singer-songwriter Lana Del Rey, who Swift had previously named as one of her favorite music artists[3][7] and the most influential artist in pop.[8] should be "whom", also the later part is quite unnecessary.. ("the most influential artist in pop") Implemented "whom" and removed the latter.

Music and lyrics

• "Snow on the Beach" is a dream pop tune[9] written by Swift, Antonoff, and Del Rey, with the first two handling production.[10] I prefer the active voice to the passive mostly... I suggest: "Swift, Antonoff, and Del Rey wrote "Snow on the Beaach", and the first two produced the track. It is a dream pop tune..." Repharased.
• It is 4 minutes and 16 seconds in length Removed.
• have been compared to holiday music by whom? (WP:ATTRIBUTION) Done.
• Do you mean it's Haworth, New Jersey and not Hayworth? Also please link it because it is not a common geography Done. I believe it was a typo in the Pitchfork source.
• Include the personnel who recorded, mixed, and mastered the track Implemented.
• deemed the production of the track as wintery Removed.
• Spencer Kornhaber of The Atlantic cited the song as an example of Antonoff's musical style that doesn't make Midnights a repetitive album this fits more into the "Critical reception" section. Moved to "Critical reception".
• the work of American composers Philip Glass and Steve Reich "the American composers" Implemented.
• a love song about the two people falling in love at the same time Removed.
• and doesn't want to reveal it to the public "does not" to ensure a formal tone throughout Done.
• It is also where she references Janet Jackson's "All for You" (2001) do we have the lyric? Done.

— Ippantekina (talk) 04:51, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

Release

• Del Rey acted as more of a background vocalist for Swift this is not a fact but rather an opinion; consider rephrasing it i.e. "Some publications regarded Del Rey's role on the track as a background vocalist and found her vocals indistinguishable from Swift's" Rephrased.
• I think I saw a video where Del Rey said something like "If it ain't broke, don't fix it", justifying Swift's original version. Might be helpful to add to this section if we have a source. Doing Done. Oh! That one interview with Harper Bazzar. Let me see if I could find something.
• on May 26 add the year (2023) Done.
• At three minutes and fifty seconds long change it to "3 minutes and 50 seconds" to be consistent with the "Music and lyrics" section Implemented.

Commercial performance

• Globally, "Snow on the Beach" received over 15.03 million streams on Spotify in its first 24 hours, where it became the third-most streamed song that day, behind fellow Midnights tracks "Anti-Hero" and "Lavender Haze" "In its first day of release, "Snow on the Beach" received over 15.03 million streams on Spotify globally, becoming the day's third-most streamed song behind..." Done.
• the first and only artist to occupy the entire top 10 of the Hot 100 I would add "at the same time" Implemented.
• It also marked Del Rey's first top five entry on the chart and her second top 10 entry after "Summertime Sadness" (2012) "top-five" and "top-10" (add the hyphen) Done.
• reached the top ten "top 10" for consistency Done.
• received certifications from Australia "in Australia" Done.
• the UK "the United Kingdom" (consistency with "the United States") Done.

Critical reception

• was generally praised for its lyrics and the production Removed.
• Ruggieri of USA Today not needed as we already introduced her publication before Removed.
• a "gorgeous ballad." "gorgeous ballad". (quotation mark before full stop per MOS:") Done.
• works by her peers "by Swift's peers"? Rephrased.
• "sonically adventurous." "sonically adventurous". ditto Done.
• Spanos of Rolling Stone ditto Done.
• From this section, it seems that this song received a mixed reaction rather than a generally positive one. Consider changing this for the lead and first paragraph. Done.

References

• Some ref errors need to be fixed Done.
• Set The New York Times and the Los Angeles Times as |url-access=limited instead of |subscription= Done.
• Set all Rolling Stone sources to |url-access=limited as well Done.
• Please ensure to link all of the websites/newspapers/magazines/publishers in the references as per WP:OVERLINK Implemented.

This concludes my first round for this GAN. Overall the article is in decent shape. Will have a second read-through as well as a spotcheck round to ensure WP:V. Do ping me when everything's checked! @Gained: Ippantekina (talk) 09:08, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

@Ippantekina, I believe that everything has been addressed. I also converted all pre-existing citations to title cases to comply with MOS:CONFORMTITLE. You can check all of those out as well as the edits I made like before. Gained (talk) 10:57, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

Kudos for going the extra mile with the ref-title formats! Ippantekina (talk) 04:41, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! :) Gained (talk) 05:30, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

Spotchecks

The prose is fine, sources are properly formatted, but please remove the quotation marks (") and replace them with apostrophes (') in the ref titles (Template:Cite web#Title). One last criterion is the verifiability of the sources. Some random spotchecks:

• "Snow on the Beach" is a dream pop tune that runs for 4 minutes and 16 seconds.[9][10] Y
• Del Rey's vocals on the track are minimal and harmonize with Swift's.[14] Y
• Wohlmacher wrote that the track incorporates classical elements and thought it resembles the work of the American composers Philip Glass and Steve Reich.[15] Y
• It is also where she references Janet Jackson and her song "All for You" (2001): "Now I'm all for you like Janet/ Can this be a real thing, can it?".[22] Y the Today source only cites the first lyric Added another source.
• which surprised fans that expected a duet.[23] Y
• At three minutes and fifty seconds, Del Rey sings the entire second verse and chorus.[31][32] Y the source only says "second verse" and not "chorus". Also I missed a grammar point here: "The "More Lana" version is 3 minutes and 50 seconds, and on it, Del Rey sings..." Implemented.
• It also marked Del Rey's first top five entry on the chart and her second top-10 entry after "Summertime Sadness" (2012).[37] Y
• After the release of The Til Dawn Edition of Midnights, "Snow on the Beach" re-entered the Hot 100 at number 30.[39] N kind of WP:OR because the source does not mention the Til Dawn Edition Replaced source.
• Jon Caramanica for The New York Times commended Del Rey's vocals on the track, but believed that Swift's vocals were too "cheery" for the track to ascend N we're missing the ref here. Added source.
• Writing for The Guardian, Alexis Petridis praised the restrained collaboration but thought it was far from a "grandstanding summit" between them.[66] Y reading the Petridis review, I find his comment somehow more positive than mixed; he actually said it was "beautifully done" and that the "restrained" vocals were beautiful Rephrased.

Overall the prose appears to be verifiable by sources despite a few misses. Happy to give the article a pass once all is addressed :) Ippantekina (talk) 04:41, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

@Ippantekina. I believe it's all done! Gained (talk) 05:29, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

Great work! Passing ;) Ippantekina (talk) 07:04, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

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