Talk:Smooth Island (Tasmania)

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1. May provide more information on first european to camp on the island (keyword 'smooth island') — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jkokavec (talk • contribs) 05:38, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

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Tasks

1. Comprehensive search for "Sloping Island"(s) and associations with 'smooth island', 'garden island', 'norfolk bay' etc.
2. Further investigate any link between Point Joannet and Smooth island
3. Investigate where North Bay (Baie du Nord) is in relation to Norfolk Bay — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jkokavec (talk • contribs) 05:43, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

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Information removed

(Nomenclature): - states that the island was first named Garden island by Flinders (not true), then states several pages later that it was first named smooth island.

- This link's reference to Smooth Island was confusing - it is not clear if they were indicating that flames were behind Smooth Island as viewed from the at their vantage point (with Dunalley in the background), or whether Smooth Island was actually affected by fire. Hence it has been removed. Jkokavec (talk) 12:48, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

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Contour map

removed due to being superseeded by 1863 survey.

- This passage was removed. It is unlikely that ship building activities ever occurred on Smooth Island. More likely to have occurred on Garden Island near the Huon (hobart) or Tamar (launceston) rivers, or indeed at Garden Island in Sydney.

In 1860 a "small wooden ketch" named Seabird weighing approximately 17 tons was built at Smooth Island. On 8/9 March 1895 it became a total wreck off Cape Patten in Apollo Bay. The crew were saved. It was owned by Mr G. McKay and registered in Adelaide at the time.

- These links referring to the location of the highest peak and saddle were removed, following real barometric field measurements on 30/12/15: "Australia pilot". Books.google.com.au. Retrieved 2015-07-13.</ref> An intermediary saddle is located at .

- This part was removed 19/1/16: No rabbits have been seen on the island since the 1850s due to successful control methods.

- removed 21/1/16: Forestry operations are permitted on the island as it has been designated a Private Timber Reserve.

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Unsure if relevant

This refers to a seizure of 60 acres of property occurred on 'garden island'. Doesn't say if it's near Huon or not. No other details to help identify which 'garden island' they're talking about.

This may be an alternative spelling of Capt de Hoghton (Capt de Haughton)

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Agricultural potential

Computer modelling by Climate Futures for Tasmania assessed the suitability for growing 6 agricultural enterprises (Barley, Poppies, Potatoes, Sparkling wine grapes, Table wine grapes, Wheat) under future climate with the assumption water availability is not a constraint.

Your reverts and reinsertions

Hi, Jkokavec. I see you reverted the de-bolding of the hatnote. I thought bolding the hatnote is unnecessary and makes the hatnote look awkward, and MOS:NOBOLD normally discourages using bolding for emphasis on content, even when WP:hatnote doesn't say much about bolding. Also, the "History" section is filled with only a hatnote and no prose summary. Also, you reinserted non-free images as gallery, normally discouraged by WP:NFG. May you explain the reverts please? --George Ho (talk) 04:25, 2 June 2017 (UTC).

• Hi George. Thanks for your message. You've successfully highlighted the difference between a policy and a guideline. A policy has almost universal acceptance, whereas a guideline does not. As such, I disagree with your changes to the bolding, as I feel it is appropriate. Regarding the non-free gallery issue, I positioned the images beside the text so that these trigger happy deletionists (with bizarre fetish for image copyright issues!) would be able to clearly see that I have demonstrated the images contextual relevance, having referred to them all in the text of Modern Culture and/or Modern Media. I would welcome any genuine, constructive suggestions which add to the completeness and quality of this article. Thank you for your interest in this topic Jkokavec (talk) 04:50, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

Hey there. I am more interested in the images. There is WP:NFCC, which intends to limit usage of non-free content. I can't find a policy regarding the bolding. Other than that, I'm just a reader like everyone else. You can go to either a library or Google Books to find materials covering the topic, i.e the privately-owned island. I'll ping Train2104 about the gallery of non-free images. --George Ho (talk) 06:12, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

However, I'll say that WP:GUIDES (a policy actually) does allow some exceptions and common sense. My sense tells me that bolding a hatnote is unneeded. George Ho (talk) 06:15, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

• Finally, you highlighted that there is nothing in the History section other of this page other than a link to the History of Smooth Island (Tasmania) page. I agree with your comments. Please feel free to put together a summary paragraph there. All the information you should need is available in the History of Smooth Island page. I look forward to seeing your contribution. Kind regards Jkokavec (talk) 04:56, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I can't think of what content to add there. You can ask one of Wikipedia:WikiProject Australia/Participants#Participants from Tasmania or go to WT:WikiProject Australia. I'll ping semi-active participants JTdale and PAT6592. --George Ho (talk) 06:12, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

Information on Fauna and Flora of Smooth Island (written before iNaturalist survey)...this info is quickly becoming redundant.

Terrestrial

Fauna

Smooth Island is home to a wide range of native Australian birds. Recorded breeding seabird species are little penguin (Eudyptula minor), little pied cormorant, black-faced cormorant, great cormorant and short-tailed shearwater (Ardenna tenuirostris). The latter predominantly habitates inland from the western to southern coasts. The following native birds occupy the island: Tasmanian nativehen and forest raven. The Pacific gull also occupies the island. A survey by the Department of the Environment (Australia) in 2010 revealed the presence of the Eurasian skylark (Alauda arvensis), house sparrow (Passer domesticus), common pheasant (Phasianus colchicus), common starling (Sturnus vulgaris) and common blackbird (Turdus merula) on the island. The presence of sea eagle, wedge-tailed eagle, kelp gull, tern, silver gull, oystercatcher, cormorant and gannet species have also been described. No reptiles have been recorded on the island apart from a small population of blue tongue lizards. The hooded plover (Thinornis cucullatus) is a threatened species which may be present on Smooth Island.

Flora

The island has been classified as a drooping she-oak (Allocasuarina verticillata) forest, despite having relatively sparse foliage. Large macrocarpa have been identified around the remnants of an old cottage on the north-east coast. Eucalyptus globulus and Allocasuarina striata (small bull-oak) are also present on the island. The Marrubium vulgare weed has been identified towards the island's north. Occasional Blackberry bushes have been identified near the Southern peak and southern shoreline. Kangaroo apple is also occasionally found along the southern shoreline. The island's fire attributes are "medium flammability, low sensitivity".

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Common names of plants

I noticed that many of the common names provided for plants in the List of Species are not names in usage in Tasmania. I would suggest following The Little Book of Common Names for Tasmanian Plants. MFdeS (talk) 23:20, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

• That's really helpful. Thank you! Vitreology talk 00:04, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

No worries! MFdeS (talk) 21:39, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

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Trespassing section is irrelevant

Please restrict yourself to stating that the island is entirely private property and unauthorised access is not permitted. The rest is irrelevant. MFdeS (talk) 00:16, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

Notice: Article placename

As seen in the disambiguation page (Smooth Island), there are islands named "Smooth Island" within both Tasmania as well as South Australia.

The content of History of Smooth Island (Tasmania) and Smooth Island (Tasmania) are tightly linked, so their placename conventions must be WP:CONSISTENT.

As per WP:PLACEDAB:

1. Disambiguation of Smooth Island (Tasmania) from Smooth Island is warranted.
2. Disambiguation of History of Smooth Island (Tasmania) from History of Smooth Island is warranted.

However, Australian placename conventions have been a highly contentious matter which lacks community consensus, despite having been extensively discussed for over 10 years.[[1]] Vitreology talk 06:30, 18 June 2021 (UTC)