Talk:Skull Island (King Kong)

Skull Islanders in Kong 2005

• "They were portrayed by a number of different Pacific Island people, who were sprayed with a brown paint to make all of their skin tones coincide. Many also have bright red eyes, presumably an evolved evolutionary trait" I dunno about the red eyes being "evolved". They could indicate disease. Some people in Africa also "redden" their eyes with red fruit, so perhaps the Skull Islanders do the same thing.

• Is it true that "the only race is the human race"? People frequently use terms like "mixed-race" or "racial tension" to describe topics which deal with more than one "race". My husband is African-American and I am Caucasian and we have referred to ourselves as a multiracial couple. All P.C.-ness aside, isn't it perfectly fine to say "The native people of Skull Island appear to be of a mixed-race Pacific Island descent."? I would be interested in peoples' thoughts. -Binder

Human race is only one true race (species/subspecies), Homo sapiens sapiens. Until recently it was suggested that some specific african tribes (Kongo-pigmies and Kalahari Bushmen) and most of the Oceania natives could be different Homo sapiens subspecies due to some of their unique distinct traits and the lack of other traits common in the vast majority of humankind. Though even the previous was outplaced since a discovery from DNA research, that have shown that almost all of present humans descent from a relatively small population of Homo sapiens sapiens, somewhere in central Africa, that was the only one to survive (along with the mentioned unique races)a worldwide extinction event that wiped out the rest of the cosmopolitan Homo sapiens sapiens subspecies. That explains why the Humans are so genetically similar to each other, even for conspecific standards [1](and also why the Pigmies, Bushmen and Maori though unique cannot be separated from the rest of humanity by taxonomical standards).--Draco ignoramus sophomoricus (talk) 16:14, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

• • Deleted information about the spider pit sequence from the original King Kong. That information belongs under King Kong, not here. Here, we are just discussing the landscape, animals, and people of Skull Island. Not specific scenes from the films. -Binder

Merge with Monkey Island?

Merge has been made. Article now focuses on all forms of Skull Island.

Several other islands (not as minor as Skull, of course) have their own articles. I strongly object to the concept of merging this with the main Monkey Island article; perhaps if none of the other islands' articles are much more substantive than this one, they could all be merged into one "Islands in the Monkey Island series" article. -DynSkeet (talk) 16:35, August 16, 2005 (UTC)

• I agree. If for any reason this article would be merged, this should be to the Blood Island. Pictureuploader 21:00, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

I also agree. Is there some reason why this island has its own article but Blood Island doesn't?-- Supermorff 21:43, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

I think it should stay since Dinky Island, another small island has its own article as well and it is about the same length. Also, there now is an article for Blood Island.

Location

"2 degrees south, 90 degrees east, off the cost of Sumatra" is in the Indian Ocean, not the South Pacific.

--User:tbarron

In Son of Kong Captain Englehorn describes the island as exactly 1,753 miles from Dakang, a fictcional(?) port town in Southeast Asia. - Kevingarcia 06:45, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

The 2005 film official book 'World of Kong : A Natural History of Skull Island' has a map at the front, with the location shown as 93.00° East, 6°7' South, should anyone want to add this. The Yeti (talk) 18:25, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Fauna

I'd like to see some mention of animals found on Skull Island, aside from giant apes of course.

In the original film there are variations of Tyrannosaurus rex, Stegosaurus, Apatosaurus, Pterodactyl, Tanystropheus as well as unique creatures such as two-armed giant lizards (like wingless wyverns), and in the lost scene, giant spiders, giant crabs and incectoid mollusks.

In Son of Kong there are cave bears, Styracosaurus, a dragon-like cave-dwelling meat-eating sauropod, a savage Plesiosaur relative and other creatures.

In The King Kong Show there are many of the same creatures, as well as a few new ones like a strange-looking vulture with a fez-like crest on its head.

In the aborted Creation film (that would become the original King Kong) there were several modern species (like chimpanzees, jaguars, herons) as well as extinct creatures like the Arsinoitherium.

In the 1976 version there was (at least) a giant snake.

In the 2005 film there are several creatures listed in that entry.

The short-lived Kong: The Animated Series also featured a wide variety of strange plants and animals.

Perhaps a "Beastiary of Skull Island" article or list could be created?

-- Kevingarcia 06:45, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Other appearances

As noted, Skull Island appears in several other Kong features, but more importantly, they add more information about Skull Island. Son of Kong, Creation, and even the 1960s animated and unofficial 2001 animated series all hinted at a long-lost civilization on Skull Island (echoed in the 2005 film). Also it should be noted that Kong Island self-destructed in a violent volcanic explosion in the unmade Creation and Son of Kong. So, in the original film continuity, the Island is no more. Kevingarcia 06:45, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Optical illusion

"'If you turn your head and squint your eyes, it looks like a bunny,' a reference to a well-known optical illusion". Which optical illusion is this? Scorpionman 19:57, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

This one [2] Poulsen 20:01, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Skull island is real. And kong is real to.

Don't I wish. If it was, however, it'd be gone by now, because of the earthquake. *sniff* Scorpionman 16:55, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

There should be a section describing why the fauna of the island could not be anything but spawn of a wild Hollywoodian imagination. To give you some tips: insects and out-of-water arthropods in general cannot grow over the size of a large tarantula because they would suffocate (under some unique respiratory characteristics), Mesozoic reptile mega-fauna could not have survived in such a large variety in just one place while completely extinct from the rest of the world for the last 60+ MY (not impossible ecologically but VERY unlikely statisticly), even if we could suggest that as an ecosystem it evolved in isolation for the last 65 MY then the existance of large apes would not be expected, an evolutional history of less than 15 MY (pongidae age)would not be enough for the appearance of a primate of such large proportions through mutation that would be vital and I guess that even if an ape of this size could evolve I dought if its anatomically possible for that creature to live. And last but not least isolated ecosystems like islands mostly press evolution to reduction of animals' growth not the oppossite. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.118.191.48 (talk) 13:01, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Map

I removed the sentence (Skull Island not seen in this image) from the picture subtext. Of course Skull Island is seen in this image, in fact it is the ONLY thing seen in this Image. -- Imladros 10:14, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Actual Skull Island

So, there are two ACTUAL Skull Island's that I can find, and was about to do an article for the one in the San Juan Islands (in Massacre Bay!), but found this article, and wanted to suggest changing Skull Island to a disambiguation page, with links to this and the two articles for the "real" Skull Islands. Any opposition? Murderbike 18:04, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

King Kong 1976

Should we put any information about the 76 Skull Island in this article? -- Majin Gojira 13:41, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

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Kong claimed to be REAL!

In the special edition DVD of "king Kong(2005)", They state that there REALLY WAS a skull island, which sank into the sea after World War 2. They they went on to list all sorts of very real-sounding data, from how dino's survived extinction - to a population of humans on a tech level of the Mayans. AND, according to the information, there REALLY WAS a giant ape captured from there - the bones of which they claim are now in the national archives! And that the film crew was denied permission to even so much as see them, much less film them.

So, with that said, who feels like getting off their duff and forming up a team to either prove or disprove the information presented o the DVD????

75.8.43.93 (talk) 01:58, 21 February 2008 (UTC) eehhh it's an obvios fake documentary with the people in the movie talking as experts, are you talking seriously? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.97.184.208 (talk) 13:51, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Size

How big is SKull Island ?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.113.51.195 (talk) 13:46, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

2005 Remake Section

I'd like other editors' thoughts on this section. A simple listing of the animals from the movie and a movie-based book seems far too in-universe for my tastes. No production information or any other real-world context is being provided. I fail to see how this is not trivial in its current state. If nothing else the contractions should be removed per WP:TONE. Doniago (talk) 16:18, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

I agree, and I think that this should be referenced to in a "Further reading" section. That book will provide much more in-universe information than what Wikipedia can provide. Erik (talk | contribs) 16:42, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks Erik. I've removed the section for now. At minimum the adding editor should clean up the contractions (noted on their Talk page as well). Doniago (talk) 16:44, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

FYI, this provides real-world context about Skull Island in the remake. Erik (talk | contribs) 16:53, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

So how can we reword the section with the 2005 creature inhabitants then? Rtkat3 (talk) 10:19, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

My advice - make it less in-universe and drop anything that doesn't appear in the film, for starters. Include third-party sourcing. Per the above, avoid making the section nothing more than an in-universe bestiary of fictitious creatures. Doniago (talk) 06:00, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Some of those creatures that didn't appear in the film were in the "World of Kong" book which took place sometime after the 2005 remake. Rtkat3 (talk) 1:50, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Per what I said above, the creatures themselves aren't notable unless there's third-party sourcing (i.e. besides the book) discussing them. Again, I recommend focusing on real-world context and avoiding just presenting a crufty list of creatures that's of little general interest. You might ask Erik for his thoughts as well if he doesn't chime in here on his own. Doniago (talk) 18:05, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Original Research

The below "references" to Skull Island need sourcing not just to verify that they actually occur, but to establish that third-parties consider them significant. Please feel free to reincorporate into the article with appropriate citations. Doniago (talk) 21:33, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Other uses

==Other uses== [[:Image:SkyCap5.jpg|thumb|right|220px|From Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow (2004): Skull Island?]] Skull Island appears in the television series The Simpsons in its parody of King Kong in the 1992 episode "Treehouse of Horror III," but the island is jokingly renamed "Ape Island." Carl states his wish that they were going to "Candy Apple Island", which is also infested with apes, albeit of a smaller size than those on "Ape Island". In 1993's Braindead, one of Peter Jackson's earlier movies, the island is the origin of the "Sumatran rat-monkey" that spreads a zombie disease. In the 1994 SNES game Donkey Kong Country, the native island of Donkey Kong features a mountain relief shaped similar to the skull portrayal in movies, but is instead Donkey Kong's entire face. This is repeated in the game Donkey Kong 64. And in the game Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest, there is Crocodile Island which is shaped like the skull of a Kremling (the common enemy of Donkey Kong). 2004's Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow includes an island called Totenkopf Island (Totenkopf is German for "Skull") (see image). This movie takes place in an alternate universe where WWII is being averted. The island can be determined to be Kong's Skull Island - as evidenced by the wreck of Captain Englehorn's tramp steamer "Venture" on the sea floor. The island is also meant to be Ray Harryhausen's Mysterious Island, as evidenced by the underwater ruins in the same montage, as well as alluding to Harryhausen's Sinbad locations, as evidenced by the chained guardians of the island fortress entrance. In the Scooby-Doo! Mystery Incorporated episode "The Secret Serum," Velma Dinkley's mother references an order of "Sumatran rat-monkeys" from Skull Island.

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Appearance in the 2005 remake

===Appearance in the 2005 remake=== The Skull Island of 2005's King Kong is very similar to that of the 1933 film. It is once again a long-forgotten place, noted as being "far west of Sumatra", until a mysterious map leads a group of adventurers to it. It appears to be in a region that affects magnets, and is frequently shrouded in fog. The island is slowly sinking beneath the sea. The island is shaped like a large hand with long, skeletal fingers. It is surrounded by carved stone reefs, made to resemble faces crying out in anger and pain, and is criss-crossed by an enormous stone wall and covered with jungle-swallowed ruins that are countless generations old, which are all that remain of an unknown, ancient human civilization (possibly Mu or Lemuria) that somehow once existed and thrived on Skull Island. It is filled with all manner of monstrous creatures, but these beings have evolved past their primitive ancestors. Due to Skull Island's unstable ecosystem, there are many more carnivores than herbivores. Aside from dinosaurs and other large animals, the island is also home to insectoid and worm-like creatures, most of them giants like Weta-Rexes, Arachno-Claws, Scorpio-Pedes and Celocimex. The island can be broken down into several smaller ecosystems, all shifting and changing as the animals fight amongst each other. These ecosystems are: The Crumbling Coastal Region and the Village The Shrinking Lowlands The Swamp and River System The Steaming Jungle The Pits and Chasms The Uplands Each of these habitats has a unique collection of species. The current native people of Skull Island appear to be of a mixed Melanesian descent, although director Peter Jackson has stated that they are supposed to look like no other people on Earth. They were largely portrayed by a number of different Pacific Island people, but also by natives of Africa and Asia. The actors and extras were sprayed with a brown paint to make all of their skin tones coincide. Many wear pieces of bone in some form (such as a necklace) and some even have smaller pieces of bone embedded or pierced in their flesh, such as through the nose. Artistic scarification is evident on a large number of Skull Islanders. Bright red eyes are a seemingly derived trait. The Weta Workshop book The World of Kong documents many of the inhabitants, locations and details of Skull Island as of King Kong.

Skull Island Inhabitants

there seems to be some confusion over exactly what animals inhabit Skull Island, at least in the 1933 version, bordering on vandalism. also, there's sections for other King Kong material that doesnt seem to have any actual article dedicated to the source, so how can we know this isn't someone just screwing around and making (expletive) up? 01:38, 8 February 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.108.74.129 (talk)

Peter Jackson trivia

Not sure where or how this should be listed here, but Peter Jackson's early film Braindead mentions Skull Island and his King Kong makes references to Braindead, both of which are mentioned on the relevant pages, so that information would be relevant to this page as well.77.97.241.49 (talk) 22:28, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

Have reliable sources taken note of this? If so it may be appropriate for inclusion. DonIago (talk) 14:21, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

2016 Prequel

Please note that the source provided says nothing about what film(s) this prequel is a prequel to. As there is no deadline for adding material, we should resist the urge to add this without having a more clear idea of where this film's place in the franchise will be. I believe the film is being discussed at the franchise article. There is also a Talk thread regarding this film at the 2005 King Kong film article; I would recommend consolidating discussion there. DonIago (talk) 16:18, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

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Route from New York to Skull Island

Since Skull Island is usually in the Indian Ocean and New York borders the Atlantic, I believe the Venture would have to cross the Atlantic, then cross the Mediterranean sea, then enter the Suez Canal, then the Red Sea before finally being in the Indian Ocean. Same for going in the opposite direction, it just seems the most likely route they would take.184.186.4.209 (talk) 20:04, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

Interesting, but original research without a source. DonIago (talk) 14:50, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

What is known about Skull Island before arrival

In the 1933 film, before the protagonists arrive they know some things about it. The following details are transcripted from the movie:

• "Listen, a canoe full of natives from this island was blown to sea. When the bark picked them, there was one alive. He died before they reached port, not before the skipper had a description of the island and got an idea of where it lies"
• "Here's what the island looks like. There's a long, sandy peninsula. The only possible landing place is through this reef. Rest of shoreline's sheer precipice, hundreds of feet high. And across the base of the peninsula, cutting it off from the rest of the island, is a wall."
• "A wall?" "Built long ago. People who lived there slipped back, forgotten the high civilization that built it. That wall is as strong today as it was centuries ago. The natives keep that wall in repair."

So the island is not "thought to be deserted" as claimed in the version I have rewritten but is rather known to have a tribe a natives on it and something behind that wall the natives keep maintained.--2606:A000:131D:6018:89FA:7B09:C3B4:B1BF (talk) 10:23, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

Fauna and indiscriminate information

Per WP:IINFO, I don't feel we should be adding the various creatures of Skull Island unless real-world sources have taken note of them (in other words, sources should be provided). Put another way, if the most we can say about a creature is "it appears in the novelization" or such, then I don't feel it's appropriate for mention in this article. Input from other editors is welcome, and I will give it some time before I make any edits. DonIago (talk) 14:25, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

Creatures of Kong: Skull Island (2017)

The article contains a section for the wildlife of Skull Island seen within the 1933 and 2005 films, however the section on the 2017 film, Kong: Skull Island remains empty. The creatures that appear in that film, such as the Skullcrawlers, Mother Longlegs and Sker Buffaloes, should be referenced as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zroy96 (talk • contribs) 03:14, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

newest film gives coordinates off of the coast of italy

in the intro, the coordinates are given as 38.9288, 17.99283 75.103.153.169 (talk) 02:31, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

Tyrannosaurus Rex maybe a Giganotosaurus

the T-Rex from the 1933 King Kong, maybe the early cretaceous period Giganotosaurus ,which is so-far known ,the apex of the Allosaurid speices ,and has 3 claw-fingers and larger than the T-Rex/the Charcharodontosaurus is also a giant Allosaurid of the early cretaceous,and has 3 large claw-fingers/the Charcharodontosaurus was discovered by a German paleontologist in the early 1930s and those fossils were lost in WW2 ,in the bombing of Munich,Germany/so I feel the meat-eater of the 1933 King Kong,is really a Giganotosaurus 2601:240:E300:AAA0:A9E5:20C7:D7A1:AC3B (talk) 21:41, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

Without a reliable source that's made that claim we shouldn't make changes to the article. We rely on sources, not our own thoughts on the matter. Cheers. DonIago (talk) 21:47, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

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