Talk:Six o'clock swill

Picture

That picture in the ext links would've been great. If only it had been taken two months earlier, we could use it! Augh.

You mean "Patrons of the Northern Club Hotel toast introduction of 10 pm closing" [1]? I'm not sure that we can't use it[2]. But I suggest we just ask - I'm pretty sure they'll give us permission if we explain what we want to do with it. That said, it would have to go in the section "Extension of closing time" so we still need something for the lead section. Ben Aveling 23:37, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

This won't fly - we can't use with-permission-only images on Wikipedia anymore. It'll have to be free, so we'll probably need pfctdayelise's image. Ambi 23:44, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

I see. I still think we can use it.

"Unless otherwise stated, you may access, download, print, reproduce and distribute content on this website for individual or non-commercial use provided that the copyright ownership is acknowledged. Material must not be altered in any way without written permission from the State Library of New South Wales."

"Written permission from the State Library of New South Wales must be obtained to use material from which you expect to derive commercial benefit or profit, or which communicates material into prominent public notice (through publicity campaigns etc)."

I'm 100% sure we come under the first paragraph. But I'm only 98% sure we escape the second paragraph, which is what I'd want to check.

Re the below request, they say that requests should happen within 30 days. Given that nothing has happened yet, I'm not hopeful of getting a response before the end of the collaboration, at least, not unless we get in touch with them, which is possible. Regards, Ben Aveling 23:54, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

I made a request for this image to be digitised:

Title : Men at the pub, Glen Innes, NSW [photographic image] / photographer, W Brindle. 1 photographic negative: b&w, acetate

Date : 1948

Primary subject : Not Assigned

Secondary subject : Not Assigned

Image no. : A1200, L10134

Barcode : 8914651

Location : Canberra

So we should soon be able to find it from this search. --pfctdayelise 12:30, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

Nothing yet. I've made another request. We'll see. Regards, Ben Aveling 23:37, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Seems something has happened? http://naa12.naa.gov.au/scripts/PhotoSearchItemDetail.asp?M=0&B=8914651&SE=0 Regards, Ben Aveling 02:27, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Six o'clock swill in popular culture

I added the "Six o'clock swill in popular culture" section. It doesn't gel well with the rest of the article, so maybe it could be worked into the main text, or expanded as a section. An An 23:04, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

I've used it to build a new lead section with. The current article still mostly talks about the start and the end of six o'clock closing, rather than about the swill proper.

One article we could draw on might be [3]

We still need some images. Google image search on "six o'clock swill" returns some good ones from NZ. We'd have to get permission to use them of course.

• http://www.teara.govt.nz/NewZealandInBrief/SportsAndLeisure/1/ENZ-Resources/Standard/5/en
• http://www.nzhistory.net.nz/Gallery/immigration/image-pages/pub.htm

Regards, Ben Aveling 23:21, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Images

OK, check this one out. It's a drawing, kinda crap, crowd outside a pub (very relevant). 1945. Australian War Memorial copyright (or so they claim). Thoughts about public domain-ness? If it wasn't published, it might not be PD. Lack of picture is annoying me so I'm adding a random one of beer. pfctdayelise 14:41, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Urinals alongside the bar?

I've read that some bars in those days had a trough-like urinal running the length of the bar, so that patrons could urinate without having to leave the bar (and avoid wasting valuable drinking time), and that a few of these have been preserved. Does anyone have any further information on this? Iantnm (talk) 21:14, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

• Sounds like an urban myth to me. Haven't heard of it. --Matilda ^talk 21:43, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

sounds like a myth to me also. the book, "Caddie, A Sydney Barmaid" mentions some men doing this on a few occasions, which may have lead to the myth, though i guess it could support the theory as well. In writing about Caddie (not yet uploaded) I've read a few feminist critiques of barmaids/ the swill/ etc, none have mentioned this, but i expect they would have if it was documented. WotherspoonSmith (talk) 12:31, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Any Sydneysiders that feel like doing some field research could check out the trough under the bar downstairs at the Brighton Hotel on Oxford Street. I seem to remember it looked authentic, and the bartender definitely told me that's what it was used for back in the day, but I must say my faith in this 'urban legend' is a little shaken by the lack of online material to corroborate it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.160.10.180 (talk) 00:34, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Shouting

I think that this article needs to include at least a mention of shouting (Round of drinks). I'm supposing that it came about during the six o'clock swill as an easy way for a group to get drinks. One person would be delegated to shout to get drinks either at the table or going up to the bar. That person would have to shout his order to be heard above the din of the crowded bar. "It's your turn to shout mate." Is there any evidence that this is the derivation of the term? WikiParker (talk) 15:45, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

According to the Oxford dictionary, it originated in the mid-19th century as a call to a waiter to refill drinks of a group. So, no.--Jack Upland (talk) 10:44, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

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Urination

If someone could find an appropriate scholarly source on tiling to eye height, and tiled front-bars, and troughs in the front bars, and public urination on walls, the bar, and occasionally other patrons it would enhance this article on the *social history* of the six o'clock swill as a participant and the "no women in the front bar" rule. It would also probably allow an appropriate link to Troughman. The current article doesn't have the zest of the violence, urination, degradation or horror that early closing enforced and reinforced. Fifelfoo (talk) 07:35, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

I just did a Google search using "six o'clock swill urination tiling". Got a lot of good hits. I recommend you do something similar. I don't have time to do much about it right now. HiLo48 (talk) 07:59, 7 May 2024 (UTC)