Talk:Sir Trevor Williams, 1st Baronet

Requested move

I have requested at WP:RM that this article be moved to Sir Trevor Williams, 1st Baronet. Ghmyrtle (talk) 20:38, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

• Support - move to well-established redlinked name (now bluelinked as I made it a redirect for the moment). PamD (talk) 21:28, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

I've been bold and moved it anyway - you only really need to go to WP:RM if it can't easily be moved, or if the move is likely to be controversial in some way. Any autoconfirmed user can move an article over a redirect with no other history, andwe're going to the standard tform of title for a baronet, so there's no point waiting in the queue at WP:RM for someone to get around to it.

Oops, missed the fact that first name was supposed to be changing too. That name is blocked, so support the move proposed here (I've put the page back at Sir Trefor Williams for the time being. David Underdown (talk) 09:09, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

 Done --Jza84 |  Talk  10:21, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Llangibby or Llangybi?

I'm not sure what to do, if anything, about the use of the (former?) English or Welsh name for his home. Modern usage favours Llangybi as the standard spelling, and I don't think Llangibby is now used at all in an official sense. (This is similar to places like Llanelli, formerly - to English speakers - Llanelly, a form which is now obsolete.) However, in Williams' time (and in all English historical references that I have seen) the spelling of Llangibby would have been the usual form for English speakers. For the time being I haven't changed Llangibby to Llangybi, but referred to the Welsh form in the lead. However I'm open to changing it if there is a strong view. Ghmyrtle (talk) 17:58, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

I suspect that the anglicised name remains the "correct" form for the baronetcy, as that is probably what's in the original Letters Patent (I haven't checked, is there a current holder of the title, or is it extinct? or dormant?). In other contexts we can probably use the modern name, since it is still te same place, unlike the issue over which Monouthshire we should link to and whic parliamentary constituency. David Underdown (talk) 08:48, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

According to this the title became extinct in 1753 (or 1758 according to this). The castle itself was demolished in 1951. My next task is to improve the Llangybi page itself! Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:37, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Correction - the castle was destroyed in the Civil War and the house they built to replace it was demolished in 1951. Ghmyrtle (talk) 11:52, 3 October 2008 (UTC)