Talk:Singspiel

Singspiele or singspiels

Isn't singspiel an English word now? Wouldn't the plural be singspiels?ospalh (talk) 20:49, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

No. I don't think so. --Kleinzach 10:01, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Capitalization?

Should Singspiel/singspiel be capitalized? My Merriam-Webster dictionary indicates that is shouldn't be. I don't have Grove handy at the moment to see how they handle the term.4meter4 (talk) 13:03, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

The article "Singspiel" (subscription required) by Peter Branscombe and Thomas Bauman at Grove Music Online spells it consistently capitalised, as do all the snippets shown for the search term. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 14:17, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification. I've seen articles using both caps and lowercase and was wondering which way was correct.4meter4 (talk) 15:35, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

I believe lowercase is correct for Wikipedia. In German, all nouns are capitalized, and this is probably why some sources capitalize it. The question is whether we are treating it as: a German word (in which case it should be capitalized and italicized); or an English loanword (in which case it should be non-capitalized non-italic). I believe the latter case is appropriate here. See MOS:FOREIGNITALIC and List of German expressions in English. – Reidgreg (talk) 01:20, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

Fidelio? Freischütz?

I have a problem with the following two paragraphs in the article:

The subject matter of the Singspiel evolved over time: While tragedy was a less frequent motif than comedy, romance, or fantasy, most of the Singspiele that are still part of the modern operatic canon are those written on more serious themes, such as Beethoven's Fidelio, or Carl Maria von Weber's Der Freischütz.

The Singspiel is the direct ancestor of the operettas of Franz von Suppé, Johann Strauss II and their successors. The Singspiel is also considered{{By whom|date=August 2009}} the predecessor of German romantic opera, and many of the genre’s composers, such as Beethoven and Weber, paved the way to the more complex operatic style associated with Wagner, Richard Strauss and others. As a result of this evolution, except for use by certain operetta composers, the Singspiel proper was less prevalent by the 20th century.

1. I've never seen Fidelio or Der Freischütz described as Singspiel.
2. The article Operetta doesn't mention Singspiel, and Romantische Oper states that that form is not a development of Singspiel.

I suggest to remove the passages quoted above from the article. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 09:30, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

This is a quotation from Thomas Bauman's article on Singspiel in Grove; "Major monuments like Beethoven's Fidelio and Weber's Der Freischütz, whose lighter elements illustrate Romantic opera's indebtedness to the 18th-century Singspiel, belong nonetheless to a newer tradition that one cannot comfortably subsume under the old." In other words they are not Singspiele. --Kleinzach 11:04, 29 December 2011 (UTC)