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Latest comment: 10 years ago by The Rahul Jain in topic Removal of irrelevant information
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Removal of irrelevant information

Latest comment: 10 years ago8 comments2 people in discussion

I have removed irrelevant and promotional material. Details about Jain cosmology should not be covered in this article. --Rahul (talk) 19:30, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

  • In Jainism, Simandhar Swami is a living Tirthankar who is considered Arihant, and said to be currently present and accessible in another world within our universe.[1][2]

I highly doubt that Simandhar Swami is considered as accessible in Jainism. This accessibility is specific to the akram vijnan movement. None of the two mentioned references say anything about Simandhar Swami.--Rahul (talk) 05:24, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

  • "Tirthankara means “full moon,” a metaphorical reference to Keval Gnan (see Kevala Jnana). Keval Gnan is described as a state of absolute knowledge of the Soul, and the precursor to moksha, or final liberation from samsara, the cycle of birth and death.[3] Tirthankaras dwell exclusively within the realm of their Soul, and are free of kashayas (see Kashaya (Jainism)), inner passions, and personal desires. As a result of this, siddhis, spiritual powers, are available to them – which they use for the spiritual elevation of living beings. [4] Through their darshan (see darśana), spiritual vision, and deshna, spiritual speech,[5] they grant their own state of Keval Gnan, and moksha, final liberation to anyone seeking it sincerely.[6] While Tirthankaras are documented and revered by those of Jain faith, their grace is considered to be available to all living beings, regardless of religious orientation."

This is written in a promotional way. We need a more academic treatment of it. We don't need such a long explanation of what a tirthankara is. We have to just define it in a line or two. More specific details can go in the article Tirthankara. --Rahul (talk) 05:24, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

  • "Tirthankara Simandhar Swami resides on Mahavideh Kshetra, another world within our extended universe (see Jain cosmology)."

Mahavideh Kshetra is not another world within our extended universe. It is a different continent in the flat-earth model of Jain universe. --Rahul (talk) 05:24, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

  • Our world, also called Bharat Kshetra, is currently in Kali Yuga, a degraded time-cycle in which Tirthankaras do not incarnate.[7] The most recent Tirthankara present on Bharat Kshetra was Mahavira, who lived from 599 BCE to 527 BCE, and was last in a cycle of 24 Tirthankaras.[8][9]

Bharat Kshetra is also not a world it is a continent, similar to Mahavideh Kshetra; a part of the mythological flat-earth island of Jambudweep. The world Kali yuga is used here. I doubt the Jains use this word, it is more specific to Hindus. The mentioned source does not have this word. The date of Mahavira is disputed, it is mentioned as a fact. --Rahul (talk) 05:28, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

These are some of the examples of how sources are misused and irrelevant or promotional material are present in the article. I am reverting the article for now. --Rahul (talk) 05:32, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for your constructive feedback. I have applied your suggested changes while reinstating some of the content that I believe to be relevant to those researching information on Simandhar Swami.Vorajinesh (talk) 10:55, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
The article still is written in a very promotional way. There is no mention of "Akram Vijnan" movement or A.M. Patel who started it. History and development of the worship of simandhar swami is not mentioned. The article also lists a lot of mythological details, without specifying which texts of Jainism has them. Most of the details mentioned are not specific to Simandhar Swami at all. I would suggest you read this document for some relevant details about Simandhar Swami. --Rahul (talk) 11:06, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
  1. ^ Shah, Pravin K. Jain Philosophy and Practice 1 (PDF). JAINA Education Committee. pp. 1–3. ISBN 8185568014.
  2. ^ Umich. "Arihants". Umich.edu.
  3. ^ Jaini, Padmanabh S. (2004). The Jaina Path of Purification. Delhi: Motilal Banarsidass. pp. 2–4. ISBN 8120815785.
  4. ^ eJainism. "Tirthankaras". eJainism. Retrieved 27 November 2013.
  5. ^ Jaini, Padmanabh S. (2004). The Jaina Path of Purification. Delhi: Motilal Banarsidass. p. 42. ISBN 8120815785.
  6. ^ "Dadashri". Retrieved 24 March 2012.
  7. ^ Jaini, Padmanabh S. (2004). The Jaina Path of Purification. Delhi: Motilal Banarsidass. pp. 30–32. ISBN 8120815785.
  8. ^ "Jain Meditation". Retrieved 24 March 2012.
  9. ^ Jaini, Padmanabh S. (2004). The Jaina Path of Purification. Delhi: Motilal Banarsidass. pp. 1–41. ISBN 8120815785.
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