Talk:Silver Shell for Best Actress

Flags

@Largoplazo:: These actresses are competing in an international film festival. Their nationality is credited with every award. There is also a precedent on Silver Shell for Best Director for this. I have read MOS:FLAG and MOS:FLAGCRUFT. They are representing their country as much as any athlete who competes internationally. Could you elaborate on why you think the use of flags here is inappropriate? Kire1975 (talk) 01:07, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

I see in each case that the director's nationality is mentioned, regardless of whether the director is the award winner. I'm supposing the director's nationality is being credited because that's considered to be the nationality of the film, and perhaps films are associated with their countries at an award ceremony. But the performers' nationalities aren't given, and the performers aren't representing their countries—when a British or German person wins an award for an American film at the Oscars, we don't say the UK or Germany won an award.

As for your comparison with international athletic events, acting in a film is very much different. When Daniel Day-Lewis appeared in Phantom Thread, he didn't enter the film in the manner of a competitor representing the UK. When he was nominated for an Academy Award for that performance, he wasn't nominated as the British entry; he wasn't even the only British entry, as Daniel Kaluuya was also nominated. The nominations are irrespective of the nominees' nationalities. Largoplazo (talk) 01:30, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

@Largoplazo:: All good points. So you're saying I should not write on Joanne Woodward's page that she is the first American to win the award? Kire1975 (talk) 01:32, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

[very belated response] I wasn't saying that at all. I'm talking about, for every single person who appears in a film or wins an award, constantly saying "A won the 1985 X award and (completely irrelevant to that) is German." "B played the role of Ramona in This Film and (completely irrelevant to that) is from Portugal." Using a flag brings us to two levels of irrelevance, amounting to "C won the Y award for Best Villain in 2017 and, by the way (completely irrelevant to that), is Mexican and, by the way (completely irrelevant to that), here's what the flag of Mexico looks like, because every time we mention something vaguely related to Mexico, we need to inform you of the appearance of its flag." A superlative that directly involves a person's nationality isn't the same thing as mentioning every peron's nationality every time that person is mentioned whether or not it's relevant. Largoplazo (talk) 17:08, 19 March 2023 (UTC)